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Canon 5D III vs. Nikon D800E Test

 
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Nov 25, 2013 10:43 |  #31
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Add a Sony to the test ..

and let the Camera Logic show if there are any deltas between the sensors.


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Nov 25, 2013 11:04 |  #32

EL_PIC wrote in post #16478707 (external link)
Add a Sony to the test ..

You want to compare the raw output of a Sony sensor in a Sony body compared to a Sony sensor in a Nikon body?


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Nov 25, 2013 11:06 |  #33

David Arbogast wrote in post #16478692 (external link)
It becomes a big deal when a subject's dynamic range is beyond a sensor's capability of capturing. No amount of "getting it right" in camera can help if the sensor falls short of the task. Predictably there is not much interest from wedding/event/portrait photographers for sensors better/increased dynamic range because those subjects are less demanding (from an exposure standpoint) than subjects like landscape and (to a lesser degree) architecture.

Event photographers couldn't give two turds for more DR, but landscape photogaphers would love it. This suggests that landscape photographers may be better served using a Sony sensor based body. Until now, that meant a system-wide switch (Canon to Nikon), but with A7R it means being able to pair all my Canon lenses with the industry's best 35mm FF sensor. Good times. :)

All true, and I believe he knows all this already.. He just wanted to say something "smart" to defend the honor of his camera.




  
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Nov 25, 2013 11:31 |  #34

Osiriz wrote in post #16478754 (external link)
All true, and I believe he knows all this already.. He just wanted to say something "smart" to defend the honor of his camera.

I agree with David's assesment, but having said that, I don't believe these examples will change any minds, if they already know where they stand.


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Nov 25, 2013 11:58 |  #35

I did some playing with the imaging resource raws from the A7r, yes it's more noisy at the pixel level at high iso but downrez to 5D3 size and they are identical! Was rather impressed. That and it has far better facial colour and tonality. Problem is I need AF. 50L is my go to lens and I just can't focus it with peaking at f1.2 fast enough to even compare.




  
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Nov 25, 2013 12:00 |  #36

A little curious why the 5d3 file is ~twice the size of the d800e file @ same resolution?


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Nov 25, 2013 12:07 |  #37

MattD wrote in post #16478429 (external link)
As someone who shoots landscapes a lot im a little jealous of Nikon.

As a result of this (and im not jumping ship anytime soon) Iv started to shoot 3-7 shots per image, then stack them.

When you do this you get exceptional shadow detail and next to no noise. The indication of vertical banding remains but its a pretty good technique.

Of course in an ideal world Id rather not have todo this, but its not too bad.


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In the original shot the Buoy was near total black, and raising the blacks looked pretty crap. With stacking multiple images though it cleans itself up very very well.

This was a 7 image stack.

Can you explain what you mean by stacking? Is this HDR or something similar to the Zero Noise software?




  
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Nov 25, 2013 12:08 |  #38

Ben Rubinstein wrote in post #16478866 (external link)
I did some playing with the imaging resource raws from the A7r, yes it's more noisy at the pixel level at high iso but downrez to 5D3 size and they are identical! Was rather impressed. That and it has far better facial colour and tonality. Problem is I need AF. 50L is my go to lens and I just can't focus it with peaking at f1.2 fast enough to even compare.

You can AF your EF-lenses on the A7R with the metabobes adapter. A bit slower than on a Canon DSLR, but perfectly accurate.


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Nov 25, 2013 12:14 |  #39

Anyone know if capture one is better with the 5D3 files than Adobe?




  
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Nov 25, 2013 12:29 |  #40

Ginga wrote in post #16478895 (external link)
You can AF your EF-lenses on the A7R with the metabobes adapter. A bit slower than on a Canon DSLR, but perfectly accurate.

A lot lot slower, certainly not fast enough for people shooting methinks. They compare it to LV focusing which is painfully slow. Would love to be proven wrong.




  
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Nov 25, 2013 12:31 |  #41

Ben Rubinstein wrote in post #16478945 (external link)
A lot lot slower, certainly not fast enough for people shooting methinks. They compare it to LV focusing which is painfully slow. Would love to be proven wrong.

Since I'm used to shooting people with the 85L II on Canon DSLRs, I'm sure the A7R AF will be "fast" enough for me.


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Nov 25, 2013 12:31 |  #42

Ben Rubinstein wrote in post #16478866 (external link)
I did some playing with the imaging resource raws from the A7r, yes it's more noisy at the pixel level at high iso but downrez to 5D3 size and they are identical! Was rather impressed. That and it has far better facial colour and tonality. Problem is I need AF. 50L is my go to lens and I just can't focus it with peaking at f1.2 fast enough to even compare.

The A7R is a great answer for landscape and architecture shooters, but those genres don't really need good (or any) AF functionality. It's also a nice alternative for Leica shooters.

However, anyone who relies on AF is probably better served by sticking with Canon or Nikon. There is no "one size fits all" answer, which is what is so great about all the options at our disposal. :)

There is a native 55mm f/1.8 due out in January. From all I've seen it promises to be an excellent 50ish mm lens: very sharp with a gorgeous bokeh.


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Nov 25, 2013 13:40 |  #43

w0m wrote in post #16478872 (external link)
A little curious why the 5d3 file is ~twice the size of the d800e file @ same resolution?

it could be the noise. that's high frequency data that doesn't compress well.


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Nov 25, 2013 13:57 |  #44

Ben Rubinstein wrote in post #16478891 (external link)
Can you explain what you mean by stacking? Is this HDR or something similar to the Zero Noise software?

Stacking is taking the same shot many times, loading each image into PS as layers (file/scripts/load images into stack) and changing the opacity of each layer to smooth out the noise..

Opacity starting from the bottom layer up - 100% / 50% / 33% / 25% / 25% / 16%

this effectively averages out all the noise in the image until there is very little left, and it retains details.

Here is an example (blown up to 200%)

Basically the section on the right is straight out of the camera, the middle one is the exposure boosted (maybe +3 I cant remember) and the far left is the stacked example.


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Nov 25, 2013 14:29 |  #45

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How about exposing it properly and not worry about pushing 3 stops in post to see this........Big deal. Get it right in the camera and its not a problem.

Clearly you're not a landscape photographer.




  
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