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Canon 5D III vs. Nikon D800E Test

 
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Nov 25, 2013 19:05 |  #61

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I think this whole thread will be pointless within the next 6 mo. Rumor has it that the canon boys will finally be getting that d800 sensor in a canon body.......lets all just hope that they dont decide to put it in 1D body:p

For the record. I do see a need for it. But not for my needs right now. Hoping you landscape guys get your dream sensor.

What a useless thread, IMHO, move on guys, don't you like the D600?
Apart from the dust factory inside the camera ;)




  
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Nov 25, 2013 19:19 |  #62

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I really hope that Canon does not buy Sony sensors. That wouldn't be good - the world needs competition.

100% agree. It's a good thing that Canon makes sensors. This whole thread is about, "Hey Canon, answer the competition!" And that is good. It's not an anti-Canon thing or a pro-Sony thing, it's just a pro-competition thing. Take away the competition and the products suffer.


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Nov 25, 2013 19:27 |  #63

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What a useless thread, IMHO, move on guys, don't you like the D600?
Apart from the dust factory inside the camera ;)

There is no law governing that threads must be useful. It's a discussion. I just don't get the mentality behind posting in threads whining about their uselessness. I see numerous threads I evaluate as useless to me.......and I ignore them.


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Nov 25, 2013 19:30 |  #64

David Arbogast wrote in post #16479936 (external link)
There is no law governing that threads must be useful. It's a discussion. I just don't get the mentality behind posting in threads whining about their uselessness. I see numerous threads I evaluate as useless to me.......and I ignore them.

There was that same discussion a year ago, I remember well.
Should check the other post, and bring it back to life!
:D:D;)

By the way I just bought a Fuji Xe2
Nothing fancy.but great for traveling.
Will go to NY and take it along, no more big DSLR that kills my neck!


I noticed that on the B&H reviews, the Canon has near 1000 reviews and the Nikon D800 near 700 reviews.
Still selling strong that Canon 5DmkIII
Hope they are satisfied!




  
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Nov 25, 2013 19:56 |  #65

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Will go to NY and take it along, no more big DSLR that kills my neck!

Consider shoulder straps instead of neck straps. Our necks have never been well suited for carrying heavy equipment in a strap.


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Nov 25, 2013 20:11 |  #66

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Consider shoulder straps instead of neck straps. Our necks have never been well suited for carrying heavy equipment in a strap.

I do have a Black Rapid strap, but still the mighty 5DmkII with the 24-105 is heavy for 8 hours.
The Fuji will be so much fun for traveling, you guys should try mirroless.
Lots of fun and weight half the 5D alone!




  
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Nov 25, 2013 20:13 |  #67

sega62 wrote in post #16479944 (external link)
Still selling strong that Canon 5DmkIII
Hope they are satisfied!

I love mine. ;)


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Nov 25, 2013 20:16 as a reply to  @ David Arbogast's post |  #68

My favourite travel camera is my 45 with tri-x carry it for days at a time not just hours :)

btw forget factory dust in the D600 my newly bought 5D3 just up and died with a little over 200 actuations so...just let bygones be bygones :)




  
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Nov 25, 2013 20:34 as a reply to  @ auto-clicker's post |  #69

I hope canon improves it's dynamic range;)The Nikon D800E having 2.5 stops more dynamic range than most of canons full frame cameras is a big difference in landscape photography using one exposure. I have invested to much into canon glass to switch. Canon needs a high dynamic range huge megapixel camera for landscape photographers.


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Nov 25, 2013 22:20 as a reply to  @ snoop99's post |  #70

I don't believe the Nikon has a 2.5 stop DR advantage on Canon. DR, as the range of dark to light where detail is retained, is very close between the cameras. Lifting shadows is another matter and isn't something I would plan to do as a regular part of my workflow. Doing so has to be done very carefully to give a natural looking result. Often the result is an image with an unnatural tone curve. I'm sure there are good examples, but I wouldn't use it as my method of choice for high quality landscape photography where I want to capture detail in bright highlights and deep shadows.


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Nov 25, 2013 22:48 |  #71

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I don't believe the Nikon has a 2.5 stop DR advantage on Canon. DR, as the range of dark to light where detail is retained, is very close between the cameras. Lifting shadows is another matter and isn't something I would plan to do as a regular part of my workflow. Doing so has to be done very carefully to give a natural looking result. Often the result is an image with an unnatural tone curve. I'm sure there are good examples, but I wouldn't use it as my method of choice for high quality landscape photography where I want to capture detail in bright highlights and deep shadows.

I agree, to many pictures looks fake when you boost the DR, like hdr pics, so dull, so fake.




  
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Nov 25, 2013 23:05 |  #72

I imagine that this guy switched to Nikon years ago in order to take advantage of an extra bucket or two of DR. I mean…he can't even print an 8" x 12" without it showing bands, gangs, ribbons, artifacts, whatever :)

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Nov 25, 2013 23:19 |  #73

What I see with my eyes rarely involves blown highlights or clipped shadows (only extremes like a bright sunny day after a fresh deep snowfall, or in low light condidtions). For the most part my eyes show me detail in highlights and shadows simultaneously. I can even stand inside a relatively dark building and see a perfectly exposed interior while at the same time and in the same field of view see through a window to a perfectly exposed exterior on a sunny day. I guess other people have weak limited vision so that for them natural-looking imagery involves a lack of shadow and highlight detail. High contrast images that clip those details look fake to me.


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Nov 26, 2013 03:09 |  #74

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Stacking is taking the same shot many times, loading each image into PS as layers (file/scripts/load images into stack) and changing the opacity of each layer to smooth out the noise..

Opacity starting from the bottom layer up - 100% / 50% / 33% / 25% / 25% / 16%

this effectively averages out all the noise in the image until there is very little left, and it retains details.

Here is an example (blown up to 200%)

Basically the section on the right is straight out of the camera, the middle one is the exposure boosted (maybe +3 I cant remember) and the far left is the stacked example.

Did some testing this morning. Doesn't cure banding. With this method I can get around 5 clean stops of DR before banding becomes a real problem. About what I'm used to from the 5D3 anyway to be honest. All that DXO nonsense doesn't actually include real world shooting and usage. Banding is a hard stop when you hit it. Suddenly your shadows just can't be pulled any more. Sorry Canon, I just give up.




  
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Nov 26, 2013 03:15 |  #75

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Sorry Canon, I just give up.

So what's the price on that 5D3?


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