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Canon 5D III vs. Nikon D800E Test

 
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Nov 27, 2013 09:26 |  #121

umphotography wrote in post #16483674 (external link)
Really

Your going to take a shot like this against a backlit situation and push this in post and try to say hay one is better than the other.....Really

Anyone hear of a flash in this thread.

OK i get that the nikon is better is the shadows than the canon . But seriously, Why not just expose for the scene properly and then make tests. To me this is foolish.

there are times when you MUST make compromises.

wtf is wrong with everybody? the simple FACT is that there's a hell of a lot less objectionable shadow noise in the sony sensor.

whether or not you feel that's important to your particular workflow is irrelevant.

(and don't even get me started on the ridiculousness rayinalaska is spouting.)


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Nov 27, 2013 09:26 |  #122

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But not everyone has a flash or can use a flash for every situation...

Your missing the point. The image is not a work of art, its a technical exercise that illustrates (perfectly) the advantage of a nikon/sony sensor over canons offerings.

Using a flash defeats the purpose.

No weather you find this useful is dependent on your needs and techniques.

Oh I understand the point. But you are clearly not getting mine. Part of being a photographer is knowing how to light a scene. The lighting in this scene is crap. So If you want to make a point with a crap photo, all the power to you.

Photographers must know how to get a decent exposure. That means for a scene like this, or others for that matter, you need to light it properly. this should have been lit with a flash and you never would see something like this

Light a scene properly and then do your testing. Guess what. The Nikon will still be better in the shadows. But it will never be as drastic as your trying to make a comparison to or portray about the sensor capabilities.

Im back to this whole thing being foolish. Compare properly exposed files and then go about making the statements or comparisons.

To be very honest with you, I have seen those test and the results are impressive. But you need to crop in 200% to see these differences. How many clients are going to crop that far in to see this.The short answer is NO One.

I get the advantages of this D800. I wish canon had one and Im hoping they step up. I dont agree with your test results because i would have tossed that misfire in the trash can

Get it Right i camera---end of discussion


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Nov 27, 2013 09:51 |  #123

umphotography wrote in post #16483734 (external link)
Oh I understand the point. But you are clearly not getting mine. Part of being a photographer is knowing how to light a scene. The lighting in this scene is crap. So If you want to make a point with a crap photo, all the power to you.

Photographers must know how to get a decent exposure. That means for a scene like this, or others for that matter, you need to light it properly. this should have been lit with a flash and you never would see something like this

Light a scene properly and then do your testing. Guess what. The Nikon will still be better in the shadows. But it will never be as drastic as your trying to make a comparison to or portray about the sensor capabilities.

Im back to this whole thing being foolish. Compare properly exposed files and then go about making the statements or comparisons.

To be very honest with you, I have seen those test and the results are impressive. But you need to crop in 200% to see these differences. How many clients are going to crop that far in to see this.The short answer is NO One.

I get the advantages of this D800. I wish canon had one and Im hoping they step up. I dont agree with your test results because i would have tossed that misfire in the trash can

Get it Right i camera---end of discussion

You into nuclear bombs?

Or how do you, as photographer, light a mountain side? Ten thousand Elinchrome?

No - you don't need to crop in 200% to see the issues. Try a larger print, and the Canon will clearly show the issues.


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Nov 27, 2013 09:51 |  #124

umphotography wrote in post #16483734 (external link)
Get it Right i camera---end of discussion

When the DR of the scene you're shooting exceeds the usable DR of your camera, the capability that this test reveals is highly useful and completely valid.

End of discussion.


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Nov 27, 2013 09:52 |  #125

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When the DR of the scene you're shooting exceeds the usable DR of your camera, the capability that this test reveals is highly useful and completely valid.

End of discussion.

He has decided to make a fool of himself. Just let him - he'll manage just fine :cool:


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umphotography wrote in post #16483734 (external link)
Oh I understand the point. But you are clearly not getting mine. Part of being a photographer is knowing how to light a scene. The lighting in this scene is crap. So If you want to make a point with a crap photo, all the power to you.

Photographers must know how to get a decent exposure. That means for a scene like this, or others for that matter, you need to light it properly. this should have been lit with a flash and you never would see something like this

Light a scene properly and then do your testing. Guess what. The Nikon will still be better in the shadows. But it will never be as drastic as your trying to make a comparison to or portray about the sensor capabilities.

Im back to this whole thing being foolish. Compare properly exposed files and then go about making the statements or comparisons.

To be very honest with you, I have seen those test and the results are impressive. But you need to crop in 200% to see these differences. How many clients are going to crop that far in to see this.The short answer is NO One.

I get the advantages of this D800. I wish canon had one and Im hoping they step up. I dont agree with your test results because i would have tossed that misfire in the trash can

Get it Right i camera---end of discussion

You plan to bounce flash off the sun?




  
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Nov 27, 2013 10:25 |  #127

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He has decided to make a fool of himself. Just let him - he'll manage just fine :cool:

I know how he feels.........

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Nov 27, 2013 10:45 as a reply to  @ quickben's post |  #128

Please,,, how many serious landscape guys are pushing files 3 stops in the shadows


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Nov 27, 2013 10:55 |  #129

haha, good call.

On a related note to UMphoto's post, I'de be interested to see shots that would have been made much better from a D800, than a 5D3. Like actual keepers where the user can say that the 5D3 had no chance of making such an image.


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Nov 27, 2013 10:58 |  #130

umphotography wrote in post #16483930 (external link)
Please,,, how many serious landscape guys are pushing files 3 stops in the shadows

I guess you've never heard of a 3-stop GND? It's kind of an important tool in my landscape kit. ;) Thing is, GNDs are like a bull-in-a-china-shop; they darken everything in their path (trees, mountain tops, etc.). So, it's even better to have a sensor capable of exposing a scene to preserve highlights without using a 3-stop GND, and pull up the shadows in post as needed. That it can be as much as 3-stops is plainly evidenced by the existence and usefulness (in limited circumstances) of 3-stop GNDs.


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Nov 27, 2013 11:05 as a reply to  @ Charlie's post |  #131

Nicksan's post on page 8 sums up my views very well. There is no doubt the Nikon does shadow recovery amazingly well and is ahead of anything Canon has to offer. Seriously. It is and for some photographers this trumps all else. And for a larger group of photographers, the Nikon offers other advantages that appeal and they choose the Nikon. I shot Nikon for 30+ years - they are not hounds or wannabes, their kit rocks.

I really like the way Canon does colors and tone curves and I shoot JPEG mostly, so the OOC Canon JPEGs are just what I want. The high ISO performance is outstanding and, I believe, a stop or two ahead of Nikon and these two factors, plus ergonomics, win the day for me.

They are both fantastic cameras.

Take your tool of choice and go make great photos :-)


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Nov 27, 2013 11:08 |  #132

umphotography wrote in post #16483930 (external link)
Please,,, how many serious landscape guys are pushing files 3 stops in the shadows

Please. Just stop.




  
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Nov 27, 2013 11:11 |  #133

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Please. Just stop.

Stop how many times? Three stops? :lol: :D


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Nov 27, 2013 11:12 |  #134

umphotography wrote in post #16483930 (external link)
Please,,, how many serious landscape guys are pushing files 3 stops in the shadows


You're missing the point of the thread. I'm not bashing 5D III, I own two bodies and have been shooting with Canon for over 16 years.
As technology evolves, and based on what and how I photograph, I felt the need to buy and test the D800's 36MP and it's highly praised dyanimac range.

Two critical reason for me to buy the D800E:

(36MP) - I want the ability to crop and still be able to maintain sharpness and great amount of details from the photograph.

(DR) - Dynamic Range!

It's not about using flash, filters, or any other modifiers to assist or enhance the photos.
It's about pushing the limit to see what each camera is capable of.

During sunsets, sunrise or even during bright sunny day when there's heavy contrast scenes.

Yes, I have GND filters and it helps to balance out the scene, but it doesn't always properly expose the shadow areas.


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Nov 27, 2013 11:33 |  #135

literally the only two qualms i have with my 5d iii : lower dynamic range and spot metering only on the centre af spot. Apart from that, much prefer to my nikon cameras that i've since sold.


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