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Nov 28, 2013 10:47 |  #16

Congrats on your choice! You're going to love FF. :)


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Nov 28, 2013 10:55 |  #17

Just try to remember not to shoot that 24-105 at f/4 ;)




  
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Nov 28, 2013 11:22 |  #18

Kudos on your purchase. You'll love the 6D once you start playing with higher ISOs.

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Till ISo6400 I don't see any difference. Even higher we talking 1/2 stop or less. To me AF is more important.

I would recommend 6d. Buy some nice glass. And making money on the side all sounds good but hard to do. :)

My indoor shoots are often done at ISOs above 6400. I agree, it's very close between them. But I've done a lot of shoots with both at ISOs above 6400 and it's my impression that the 6D files clean up easier. But that's just my opinion. I do find that the 6D will AF better in low light, and that comes as no surprise. In the end, I don't think the low light/high ISO difference is where someone should make a decision. Really it comes down to money and the importance of superior AF capabilities to the buyer. If a buyer has a budget of $3k, it would be better to do as you recommended and get a 6D and some decent glass. That's what I did. My personal camera is a 6D. My work camera is a 5D MkIII. I didn't have to pay for the MkIII.


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Nov 28, 2013 11:41 |  #19

Just to show that the 5D MkIII is also highly capable in high ISO situations, this image was shot with the MkIII at 12,800 ISO. This is what I mean when I say that the difference between the 5D MkIII and the 6D with regard to high ISO is minimal.

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Nov 28, 2013 12:46 |  #20

both are fantastic camera's. You will enjoy the experience with either body.


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Nov 28, 2013 12:51 |  #21
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Matrim33 wrote in post #16486402 (external link)
This guy also helped persuade me:
http://www.dustinabbot​t.net …n-eos-6d-over-a-5d-mkiii/ (external link)

Congratulations on your new camera. Thanks for posting this link. Really interesting read.




  
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Nov 28, 2013 14:14 as a reply to  @ I Love Cats's post |  #22

Thanks again for the help guys.

M Six Thanks for the photo. I am drooling at the high iso shots I have been seeing. The T4i just doesn't do high iso anything.

Now on to lenses...

I'm not entirely sure about the 24-105. Has anybody used this indoors? Seems a bit slow, but it has a great following. I could sell some of my current gear and pair the 24-105 with a good portrait prime lens. I was also thinking maybe a 1.4 50mm, that should work well indoors. I have a Tamron zoom already too, but I'm guessing the Canon L will blow it away.

Canon 70-200 has always been on my radar and I hear it does well for portraits. But I would have to sell everything I have to get that lens and then I'd be stuck.

Also considering if I will use my T4i anymore. I don't do a ton of close-up stuff, and the IQ will be so much better with the 6D.. If I sold/traded that with my 30mm I could probably grab a decent lens.


6D - 50mm f/1.4 - 85mm f/1.8 - 24-105mm f/4L - 16-35mm f/2.8L II - 70-300mm f/4-5.6 - 600EX-RT

  
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Nov 28, 2013 18:43 |  #23

The 24-105 is a nice lens. I have one and used it extensively in the UK last year. You can hand hold shots at ridiculously slow speeds, so the fact that it's "slow" isn't a big deal as long as your subject is still. Obviously if your subject is moving and you have low light, the 24-105 wouldn't be your first choice. But if you pair it with a prime, you should be off to a good start. The shot I posted above was done with an 85 f1.8. That's a great prime and very fast. I prefer it to my 50mm 1.4, which I rarely touch. Another good option for an indoor zoom is the Tamron 24-70 f2.8 VC. It's pretty fast, very sharp, and has a good zoom range with f2.8 throughout. It's pricier than the 24-105, though. And outside in daylight, the 24-105 will be more versatile. Every time I look at a 24-70, I realize my 24-105 suits me fine for 95% of the shots where I need that 24-something range. It's not worth it for me to sell the 24-105 to get a 24-70. If I had neither and was in the market, I'd probably opt for a 24-70 f2.8, though.


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Nov 28, 2013 19:00 |  #24

I went through the same discussion with myself 3 months ago. Played with both and could not see we're the extra 1k went into the 5d3 so I grabbed the 6d kit and picked up a 24-70ii and haven't looked back. I have zero issues with the auto focus.


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Nov 29, 2013 17:36 |  #25

M_Six wrote in post #16487195 (external link)
The 24-105 is a nice lens. I have one and used it extensively in the UK last year. You can hand hold shots at ridiculously slow speeds, so the fact that it's "slow" isn't a big deal as long as your subject is still. Obviously if your subject is moving and you have low light, the 24-105 wouldn't be your first choice. But if you pair it with a prime, you should be off to a good start. The shot I posted above was done with an 85 f1.8. That's a great prime and very fast. I prefer it to my 50mm 1.4, which I rarely touch. Another good option for an indoor zoom is the Tamron 24-70 f2.8 VC. It's pretty fast, very sharp, and has a good zoom range with f2.8 throughout. It's pricier than the 24-105, though. And outside in daylight, the 24-105 will be more versatile. Every time I look at a 24-70, I realize my 24-105 suits me fine for 95% of the shots where I need that 24-something range. It's not worth it for me to sell the 24-105 to get a 24-70. If I had neither and was in the market, I'd probably opt for a 24-70 f2.8, though.

Thanks for the info. I think I will have to stick with the 24-105 as I don't have another grand to throw at just one lens at the moment. I think I may have to go with primes for indoors for now, or add a flash. I am looking at the 85mm 1.8 pretty seriously. I was thinking 50 too, and just live with the three lenses for a while.

One review I read about the 24-105 was that it was macro? Is this true?


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Nov 29, 2013 18:31 |  #26

It has a minimum focus distance of just under 18" and with a 25mm extension tube, you get a mag factor of 0.61x. So whatever you're shooting will be 0.61 times as big on the sensor if you are at the minimum focus distance.

Without the extension tube you get 0.23x mag factor, which still isn't bad. Dedicated macro lenses usually give at least 1:1 magnification, so the image on the sensor is the same size as whatever you're shooting.

In short, it makes a pretty decent macro in a pinch.


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