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Dec 04, 2013 00:04 |  #1

First time in the CC :)

This image was shot with a very high ISO here's the quick EXIF
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It was shot in this manner to attempt an older grainier feel (I was informed that it's just noise, but I think that's what I actually wanted? lol idk)

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Dec 04, 2013 08:07 |  #2

Nice look. Pretty face. But the eyes are out of focus. That's a killer. When you're shooting at f/1.8 you really need to nail the focus on the eyes.


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Dec 04, 2013 09:03 |  #3

Thank you! I knew it was oof when posting, but I liked how it looked and gave it a shot. Will post a more in focus on soon =) glad you like the eyes! I felt like it was a wee too much


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Dec 04, 2013 10:04 |  #4

Here's two other images. They AREN'T Perfect, but they are pretty close IMO :P.

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Dec 04, 2013 11:24 as a reply to  @ xarik's post |  #5

The images are extremely soft and noisy. I honestly wouldn't mark them as keepers.


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Dec 04, 2013 11:39 |  #6

GregoryC wrote in post #16501026 (external link)
The images are extremely soft and noisy. I honestly wouldn't mark them as keepers.

I agree. Instead of shooting at 1/500, ISO 6400, you could have shot this at 1/125, ISO 1600 and would have gotten much cleaner images.


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Dec 04, 2013 20:39 |  #7

i think he wanted the noise to look grainy old school photo look,i agree i like cleaner images but i think he was going for the noisy look


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Dec 04, 2013 22:15 |  #8

kjonnnn wrote:
=kjonnnn;16502435o]As much as modern photographers like to romanticize perfection, a great many old photos were grainy and not tack sharp.

That's because they had no choice. We do. I'd rather shoot it clean with little noise, then add noise in post if that's the look i'm going far. You don't sacrifice image quality this way.


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Dec 04, 2013 22:20 |  #9

It is an interesting concept...learning how to make the image so it mimics a previous era shot straight out of the camera, or do you take the clean shot and then work it over in post to get the look you want? I can see definite advantages both ways, but the first is really grasping the art of photography, while the second seems to rely heavier on the art of post processing. Both are noble, and each of us decides which we want to invest in. If I'm reading Lane's objective here, I'd bet his first image of his second post is pretty on-target. I like that composition and, used in the right place, should really take the viewer back. The last image is too soft overall for my liking.


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Dec 04, 2013 22:30 |  #10

"It was shot in this manner to attempt an older grainier feel (I was informed that it's just noise, but I think that's what I actually wanted? lol idk) "

I said this because that's what I meant ;P. I wasn't aiming for TOO soft, but I was aiming for a grainier old photo feel :) Thanks to those of you who saw it. To those who didn't, I could have shot it with a lower ISO and made it crisper, it would have changed the feel a bit too :). Either way I was aiming for the Grain


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Dec 04, 2013 22:33 |  #11

Shot in camera with minor brightness and contrast adjustments in post as well as some clarity added to the eyes and a dodge tool added to the highlights in the eyes :) Not much for post processing.

I agree that I missed on the first and third image, second one is my favorite! :)

I felt like I was using the camera for what is should be used for, not always doing a clean shot, but experimenting with it's capablilities :)

I think I lied, I am pretty sure I shot in 1600ISO not 6400 because I just realized I have it set to only go up to 3600ISO :P


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Dec 04, 2013 23:14 |  #12

I don't feel it needs to be tack sharp. Sharpness is frequently overdone in portraits nowadays. Anyway, so the first image is in fine in this respect. My criticism of the first image is the tight crop on this particular side pose. It looks a bit awkward. A tight composition would probably work better straight on, in a more symmetrical pose. The model is really pretty and hopefully you can get more time in with her.

Regarding noise, it's not the same thing as film grain. Well, it's a digital camera's equivalent of grain, but they are equivalent. Some software can approximate grain. They sometimes do this using actual scans of film grain. Anyway, if you're interested in creating digital photos with cool grain effects then do not go the ISO route. Instead, try the specialized filters available in software packages. Or if you're feeling really adventurous -- use B&W film! :)




  
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Dec 04, 2013 23:35 |  #13

I feel like the ISO rout is a fairly good rout that produced a fine image but it is NOTHING like the old grain. I cannot reproduce that. I would rather not use filters in post production. The image may not be what you're looking for, but I feel like it'll work for my purposes for right now :) Eventually I'll pick up a film camera and learn some stuff on that and shoot B+W film.

I laughed when you said that Sharpness was frequently overdone in portraits lol! That's very true ;). The first image was shot with my 50mm 1.8 from about 3 feet away (Or so) I was just carrying my camera around between classes and these shots were done VERY unofficially. The images framing should have been a little wider and to the right, but it happens. The fact that there isn't a headshot straight on does pose an issue in this set, I agree. I was only planning on getting one or two images from this set (I got about 8) especially because it's the first time I shot in this manner.

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Dec 05, 2013 00:40 |  #14

kjonnnn wrote in post #16502805 (external link)
Image quality is subjective. Depending on the desired style, sometimes the noise/grain are as much a part of the image and the subject.

I disagree. I think image quality is objective. It's hard to define, but I think the general consensus is that "image quality" refers to the "cleaness" (if you will) of an image. If you show someone two images, one shot at ISO 100 and one shot at ISO 6400, the general consensus would be that the ISO 100 has a better "image quality".

Yes, I agree that noise and grain can be part of an image, which can make an image better. But, making an image better isn't increasing it's "image quality" (the way that I've defined it).


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Dec 05, 2013 12:00 |  #15

I could easily have shot these images at ISO 200 in full color and had them all turn out looking the same with a soft bokeh in the background and the same old same old....I've gotten bored of it already though...not done with it, but bored with the same pictures going up week after week. This image quality of this set compared to others is DIFFERENT but NOT worse IMO.

They could all look like the image below and that would be fine (THE IMAGE BELOW IS A LITTLE OVER DONE I KNOW, IT WAS A TEST FOR SKIN SMOOTHING AND EYE POPPING). But I got bored because I have several dozen images of her like this and I wanted something different :P

Perhaps a little less ISO would have helped? I would really rather not do it in post if I can help it because that just screams fake to me....Rather get it done in camera

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