Does anybody here think the 18-55 STM or 55-250 STM are worth what Canon wants for them at retail prices in non kit form? I guess that was the point I was trying to make. I bought the 18-55 cheap because someone was selling one they got in a kit. I probably wouldn't have payed retail box price. Same goes for the 250. I will keep my non STM version before I will pay 349.99 for one. I am not seeing any white box discounts on the 250.