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Dec 05, 2013 17:23 as a reply to  @ post 16504307 |  #31

Does anybody here think the 18-55 STM or 55-250 STM are worth what Canon wants for them at retail prices in non kit form? I guess that was the point I was trying to make. I bought the 18-55 cheap because someone was selling one they got in a kit. I probably wouldn't have payed retail box price. Same goes for the 250. I will keep my non STM version before I will pay 349.99 for one. I am not seeing any white box discounts on the 250.
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Dec 05, 2013 17:25 |  #32

They are worth someone getting rid of them to upgrade. I sold my older style 55-250 for $125, certainly a deal for the buyer and really about all I could get for it because the market is so saturated with people moving on from kit lenses.


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Dec 05, 2013 17:58 |  #33

Hmmm -- Q here? I get the impression that the some folks think the STM contains better glass than non STM version.

But, my thoughts are the STM is a focus motor upgrade, not a glass upgrade. And the glass in non-STM lens is same as STM lens.

But, am not totally positive ... can anyone comment?




  
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Dec 05, 2013 18:29 |  #34

I bought my EF-S 18-55 IS STM from Amazon for $ 120. It was new but listed as used it was new because it had been separated from a kit. The glass is much better than the previous version that I had. Personally I feel the pictures are as good as those from my 15-85.

It seems that we should have a sample thread for both the EF-S 18-55 IS STM and EF-S 55-250 IS STM. Can anyone just go into the archive and add a new thread?


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Dec 05, 2013 18:51 |  #35

jack_dorsey wrote in post #16504744 (external link)
It seems that we should have a sample thread for both the EF-S 18-55 IS STM and EF-S 55-250 IS STM. Can anyone just go into the archive and add a new thread?

As far as I know, yes. Have a read of the FAQ here:https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=574173




  
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Dec 05, 2013 19:03 |  #36

monkey44 wrote in post #16504663 (external link)
Hmmm -- Q here? I get the impression that the some folks think the STM contains better glass than non STM version.

But, my thoughts are the STM is a focus motor upgrade, not a glass upgrade. And the glass in non-STM lens is same as STM lens.

But, am not totally positive ... can anyone comment?

From this link:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …-3.5-5.6-IS-STM-Lens.aspx (external link)

Comes this:

Here are some of the differences between the 18-55 IS II and the 18-55mm IS STM Lens:

STM (Stepping Motor) AF (vs. Micro Motor)
Continuous AF during video recording with compatible cameras (those with Hybrid CMOS AF)
Vastly improved manual focus ring
Front element does not rotate and does not extend with focusing
Full time manual focusing supported during shutter release half-press
Shorter minimum focus distance (9.8” vs. 11", 250mm vs. 280mm) and maximum magnification (0.36x vs. 0.28x) specs (read about reality below)
New optical design with 13 lenses in 11 groups (vs. 11/9)
7 rounded aperture blades (vs. 6 rounded)
Larger zoom ring
New petal-style lens hood that provides up to 0.46" (11.7mm) better protection from light and damage.

The 18-55mm IS STM lens gets a nice upgrade in the bokeh (background blur quality) department. With an extra curved aperture blade (now 7), OOF (Out of Focus) points of light remain circular-shaped and relatively smooth even with a stopped down aperture (where the number of blades and blade shape affect the results the most). The 18-55mm IS II's aperture blades are curved, but I could clearly see 6 blade edges in OOF highlights in some stopped-down-aperture images. Because this lens does not create a strongly blurred background unless shooting at minimum focus distance at 55mm, few will significantly care about this improvement.

The Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM Lens' improved focus system is worth every penny of the increased street price (over the IS II). To begin with, this lens focuses quickly and very quietly. So quietly that you will need to put your ear next to the lens in a quiet room to hear the click sounds autofocusing makes. The IS II model made autofocusing very audibly-apparent.

Also, this lens is now internally focusing. No longer does this kit lens model extend and rotate the front element during focusing as all of the previous EF-S 18-55mm lenses have done. The lack of extension is very nice and the fixed front filter threads are a huge improvement – especially for circular polarizer filter use. These filters are rotated to dial in just the right amount of effect – an effect that can greatly enhance some photos. When focusing turns the front filter threads, that effect is adjusted to something less than optimal.




  
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Dec 05, 2013 19:03 |  #37

monkey44 wrote in post #16504663 (external link)
Hmmm -- Q here? I get the impression that the some folks think the STM contains better glass than non STM version.

But, my thoughts are the STM is a focus motor upgrade, not a glass upgrade. And the glass in non-STM lens is same as STM lens.

But, am not totally positive ... can anyone comment?

The STM versions of the 18-55, 18-135, and 55-250 all came along with optical redesigns, not just changes to the focus motor. You can see the optical changes in the block diagrams in Canon Museum http://www.canon.com …/camera/lens/ef​/ef-s.html (external link).

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Dec 05, 2013 20:07 as a reply to  @ Leopold Stotch's post |  #38

I don't think there is any doubt the STM version is a better lens. I have used both and I think IQ is better with the STM version. But if mine hadn't been available for 126.00, I probably wouldn't have paid 239.00 for the retail version. I would have kept the Tamron or sold it and upgrade to a 15-85 or something. I agree in reality it is enough different that it should have a lens sample thread of it's own.
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Dec 05, 2013 20:16 |  #39

[QUOTE=Qlayer2;1650051​8]I tend to like prime lenses, but I was impressed with the quality as well. Mine came with my T4i and I was surprised at the clarity of the shots. It does feel plasticky and flimsy in the hands, but functions well enough that it will stay in my bag- for the cost, it is definitely worth keeping around. I tend to like shallower DOF on posed shots, but for a grab and go lens where you might need to grab a protrait, group shot, or landscape, it is very capable.[/quote]

so you're saying it's a good kit lens


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Dec 05, 2013 22:32 |  #40

I bought my EF-S 18-55 IS STM from Amazon for $ 120. It was new but listed as used it was new because it had been separated from a kit.

How I got mine too. Not sure what I would have paid for it before I owned one, but having now owned one, I'd pay a LOT more for it than I would have before. ;)

This is one of those hidden gems you just gotta use to appreciate. If you only read about it on paper, you'll never get it. Seeing the image quality with my own eyes, well, after a while, I just had to laugh and accept how good it really was.


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Dec 05, 2013 23:02 as a reply to  @ Limbwalker's post |  #41

I recently upgraded my T3i to a 70D. I sold my 18-55 f/3.5-f/5.6 (non-IS) with the T3i sale. When I purchased the 70D I only bought the body. I later went on Amazon.com and picked up the 18-55 STM for $115.00. It was also advertised as used because it was separated from a kit but it had never been used. I actually came out cheaper buying the camera for $1050 and the lens separately for $115.00.

My old 18-55 served me well when I didn't want to take a lot of lenses. However I must agree the sharpness and quality of the 18-55 STM is quite impressive. I shot this image on the way home. Granted I did some processing in LR and did add back in some sharpness and clarity but realize if you start with a good, quality image you can refine it even more to bring out it's true beauty!

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Dec 06, 2013 00:12 |  #42

I've seen Amazon often has "used" ones that are pulled from Kits on there for $115, I'm considering picking one up just because it is an upgrade from the old 18-55IS and use it until I can get the 17-55 like I want.


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Dec 06, 2013 10:19 |  #43

jhartley wrote in post #16505441 (external link)
I've seen Amazon often has "used" ones that are pulled from Kits on there for $115, I'm considering picking one up just because it is an upgrade from the old 18-55IS and use it until I can get the 17-55 like I want.

Just do it. You'll be glad you did. I'm already wondering why the heck I just sold mine. :oops:


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Dec 06, 2013 10:59 |  #44

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so you're saying it's a good kit lens

I'm saying it's a good lens- full stop. Good enough that even though I have and will continue to buy other lenses for my T4i, it is going to stay in my bag. Good enough that until I plan to spend $800+ on a zoom lens in that focal range, it can't be replaced.




  
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Dec 06, 2013 11:06 |  #45

Qlayer2 wrote in post #16506403 (external link)
I'm saying it's a good lens- full stop. Good enough that even though I have and will continue to buy other lenses for my T4i, it is going to stay in my bag. Good enough that until I plan to spend $800+ on a zoom lens in that focal range, it can't be replaced.

+1!!! I feel the exact same way!


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