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Dec 07, 2013 16:17 |  #1

Recently purchased a Canon Macro 100mm L lens. Doesn't have a lens protector/filter on it. Any suggestions? Thank You.


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Dec 07, 2013 16:21 |  #2

This should fit (external link) the bill nicely.


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Dec 07, 2013 16:32 |  #3

Use the supplied hood.




  
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Dec 07, 2013 19:06 |  #4

xarqi wrote in post #16509376 (external link)
Use the supplied hood.

The supplied hood is not really helpful when you are chasing bugs, since is brings the front end of that particular lens within about 2 inches (5 cm) of the bug. For that reason, I almost never use the hood when shooting bugs.

Bogino--if you ask about protective filters here, you are liable to get a long string of arguing posts, some people saying they are a good idea and others insisting they aren't.

I do a great deal of macro, and in doing field work, I often use a protective filter. When I don't need it (e.g., shooting flowers in a controlled environment), or when I am in conditions where a filter is likely to cause flare (lights in front of the lens), I take it off. The B+W that Alveric mentioned is a good choice for this, but you can also get a very good Marumi filter for a lot less: http://www.2filter.com​/marumi/marumiuvfilter​s.html (external link). I use both.


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Dec 07, 2013 19:09 |  #5

You might also need to use a polariser and in that case, the hood will hamper you, even if you have long, skinny fingers.


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Dec 08, 2013 06:00 |  #6

paddler4 wrote in post #16509645 (external link)
The supplied hood is not really helpful when you are chasing bugs, since is brings the front end of that particular lens within about 2 inches (5 cm) of the bug. For that reason, I almost never use the hood when shooting bugs.

Try the hood for the EF-S 60mm macro. Same diameter as the 100 hood, but quite a bit shorter and won't ruin IQ.


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Dec 08, 2013 07:43 |  #7

Hoya HMC filters are good stuff. Be sure that you get one of their multicoated filters.




  
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Dec 08, 2013 08:32 as a reply to  @ artyH's post |  #8

I've been shooting macro for a while, and have never seen the need for a protective filter. Even when using extension tubes which allows me to get even closer to the subject.

That being said, if you insist on using one, spend the money to get a good one. I like B+W.


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Dec 08, 2013 09:08 as a reply to  @ LV Moose's post |  #9

Thank You for all the feedback. I decided to move ahead and buy the B + W.


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Dec 08, 2013 09:37 |  #10

Save your money. No filter is needed and it has the potential to get in the way, effecting image quality. Won't do any good in many situations and can actually do harm (I've seen lenses damaged by broken filters).

I use 5 macro lenses and a couple more non-macro lens that I use primarily or frequently for extreme close-ups (a tilt-shift, 300/4 IS). Some of these I've had for 10 years or more and I can't recall the last time I put a "protection" filter on any of them, if I ever have. They simply aren't exposed to anything they need protectin' from.

I virtually always use the lens hood, even the rather strange one on the MP-E 65mm. A hood provides far better protection than a thin piece of glass ever could. Especially the high-impact plastic, bayonet mount hoods most Canon lenses use. And it does so without compromising image quality in any way. It can only improve image quality (so long as it's the correct hood and doesn't vignette). I use the 100/2.8 USM (non-L/IS), which has a massive hood, but bought a second smaller, screw-in hood that I use with it occasionally. Yes, there are times when you are working so close to a subject you have to remove the hood... but those times are pretty rare.

I do occasionally use a polarizing filter when it's effects are needed. But still virtually always use the hood, even with a C-Pol. When using a filter... any filter... it's even more important to use a hood to protect the filter from both physical knocks (it's much fragile than the lens) and from oblique light. A C-Pol has twice the layers of glass of most filters, so is even more at risk of flare or other unwanted effects. No it's not "convenient" to use a C-Pol with a lens hood. But no one ever told me that photography was going to be convenient.

Do what you want, but IMO putting a "protection" filter on the front of that lens is a real waste of money.... It will do nothing to improve your images, might even do the opposite in some situations. It won't take the place of using the hood and in fact makes it more important use the hood. And it will not really provide much physical protection, might even do the opposite and cause damage to the lens if it's ever broken.


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Dec 08, 2013 12:59 |  #11

Image quality can (most probably will) be affected by cheap filters, hence my recommendation of the B+W. I may never need it, but my peace of mind is certainly worth the price. I'll even use a polariser for nothing else but protection if I haven't a clear filter; my 24mm TS-E has the circular polariser permanently attached because I haven't had the dough to buy the clear filter. I'm not willing not to spend tens of dollars to minimise the chances of damaging a lens that costs over two thousand, no matter how insured it is; I'd rather compensate for the 1.7-2.2 stops of light loss through ISO or shutter speed.

As for a broken filter, the only ways I can see a filter being broken are through impact, with said blunt object going through the filter and reaching the lens —in which case not having a filter woulda destroyed the lens just as well—, or through poor handling, in which case it's user error and fault.

Needless to say, the hood can and should still be used with the filter and the lens cap should be on whenever the camera's not being used.


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Dec 08, 2013 13:44 |  #12

Re hood: for those cases when the original hood is too long, I have an aftermarket one that I shortened to a little more than half length.

Re protective filter: I use them on all my lenses, but on this particular lens, the Hoya barely engages the lens threads. It looks that on this lens the filter threads start slightly deeper down the front ring than usual (there is a deeper initial bevel). Did anyone else experience this?




  
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Dec 08, 2013 15:15 |  #13

No such issues with my B+W.

There's one thing in which a filter will hamper, and that is when using macro ring flash, as these have to screw to the lens thread. The weight might prove too much for a filter, especially a polariser.


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Dec 08, 2013 23:43 as a reply to  @ Alveric's post |  #14

I've tested my B&W filter extensively with this lens, especially at macro distances (and so can the OP now) and I can't tell the difference under normal situations.

However, a shortened hood is a good idea. In fact I am going to look into that since the hood can get in the way and is just excessive for many/most situations. I don't like walking around without the hood on, especially if I have a filter on and even more if it is an expensive CP.

The threads on this lens have gotten several comments before about being 'shallow'. I think they are different, although I remember thinking about it the last time I screwed a filter on and they seemed deep enough for it to be secure.


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Dec 09, 2013 01:07 |  #15

I usually have either the hood or macrolite adapter on my 100L when in use, so almost never use a filter. I'm sure I have a filter for it somewhere . . .


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