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Dec 10, 2013 09:22 |  #1

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hi guys, I am new to photography and looking for an economical flash. I have a Canon 40d and I love it. I am looking for a flash that I think the proper term is e ttl 2 I am not quite sure what that means. But I think it has something to do with my camera automatically adjusting my flash settings. I want a flash that I can control from the camera and that has the ability to go wireless, I'm looking to spend about $100 for this. I saw on Amazon there are some pretty good yongnue flashes. I am just not sure which one will work with my camera. these were the few choices I was looking at, can someone please let me know if these will work with my camera so I can control the flash with my onboard LCD screen. And if it will work wirelessly if I buy the adapter for my camera as I do not think my camera has a built-in.

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Dec 10, 2013 10:28 |  #2

560III is a manual flash , it's a 560ii + internal receiver


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Dec 10, 2013 10:46 |  #3

so are both of these manual flashes?




  
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Dec 10, 2013 10:53 |  #4

The 565 is a TTL flash and the 560 is manual only. If you want/need automatic flash exposure you will need the 565.


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Dec 10, 2013 10:57 |  #5

The YN-565 is E-TTL compatible and will provide full automatic exposure control when mounted on-camera (or via an E-TTL off-camera cable) or as a wireless SLAVE only. However, you need an E-TTL MASTER flash to control the slave(s), such as a Canon 580EX, 580EX II, 600EX, and possibly others I don't recall off-hand.

The YN-568 is both a wireless MASTER and SLAVE. However, it does not have as good reviews as the 560 or 565.

I own a 565 and use it as a slave with my 580EX and, so far, it has worked fine. Some people have reported problems with it dying an early death, most of them opining it was due to the flash overheating while using an external battery pack. But so far I've had good enough luck that I'm considering buying 1 or 2 more.

BTW, you can find the 565 at a much better price on eBay, particularly if you are willing to wait a couple of weeks for shipping from Asia.


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Dec 10, 2013 18:09 as a reply to  @ bumpintheroad's post |  #6

The YN-565EX went down to around $100 with fast local shipping on amazon, now they are around $119 (external link).

The 40D doesn't have any sort of master built in, so considering you have to attach one you're far better off using radio triggers than optic wireless. The YN-622C are around $85 Amazon Fulfilled (external link). An optic master would cost you more than that anyway (and not be anywhere near as good).

So the flash is close to budget, the triggers could come later.


If you're more concerned about off camera use, and the above budget is too high, you could go for a remote manual flash, which at least makes changing power levels from the camera easy. The Godox V850 are from $100 (external link) and $30 for the radio set (external link).

Those are likely the two best bang for buck set ups you're going to find. $100 is a very small budget unfortunately when your camera does not have any master. But even if it did, the radio options are preferable anyway.
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Dec 10, 2013 22:46 |  #7

Hmmm totally confusing for a newbie like me...but i think the 565 looks like a good one. I guess what i am looking for is an on camera flash that the camera can control with my 40d hence the ettlII plus i would like to get a wireless shoe i can use and set up a flash to fire at the same time behind the subject to light up their hair. I really didn't want to buy a flash twice so the 565 looks like a good deal, can i always make it a master once i get the money for the optic wireless? I was looking at pickup up once of the Yongnuo RF-603 C3 2.4GHz Wireless Flash Trigger/Wireless Shutter Release Transceiver Kit for Canon 1D/5D/7D/50D/40D/30D/2​0D/10D Series too. will the ttl travel through that if i have the flash on my camera with one of those on it?

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Dec 11, 2013 00:18 as a reply to  @ landslide03's post |  #8

If you don't want to buy twice, the only risk with the YN-565EX is that it doesn't have High Speed Sync (HSS). That's really handy to have for an on camera TTL flash. But its simply up to your budget. The YN-568EX (external link) has the HSS (but no external battery port).

The YN-568EX or YN-565EX do not have an optic master, you would need the YN-568EX II (external link) to get the optic master. But personally I'm not sure I would even worry about that, because radio triggers like theYN-622C (external link) are cheaper and far better. The YN-568EX II also has a fault when the flash is bounced using TTL metering. You have to set the camera to Average metering to make it expose properly. That probably doesn't bother most people, but you should at least know about it.

Yes you could get some inexpensive RF-602 to simply fire the flash in manual off camera. There is no TTL or remote control with those though. The YN-622C give you full control through the camera menu, just like if the flash was on the camera. You don't have to have that but it certainly can help having remote control.


Its really a good idea to start with at least one TTL flash for on camera use. But then many people are happy with manual flashes for off camera. So buying extra flashes and triggers you could go with simple manual ones and triggers like the RF-602 you mentioned. Or go with all YN-622C and TTL flashes.

I put a guide to the basic manual triggers here - http://flashhavoc.com/​flash-trigger-guide-manual/ (external link)

TTL triggers here - http://flashhavoc.com/​flash-trigger-guide-ttl/ (external link)

And the way things are fast heading now, to flashes with radio triggers built in - http://flashhavoc.com …-built-in-radio-triggers/ (external link)


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Dec 11, 2013 04:18 as a reply to  @ post 16518084 |  #9

With just your camera and the 565EX, you can use the flash remotely but you will be limited to adjusting the power manually on the flash itself. The 565EX has a mode that allows it to be triggered by the popup flash on your 40D. The 565EX is fully controllable in manual and automatic in the hotshoe of your camera but can be used remotely in manual mode with no additional equipment.

This picture was taken with an XSi/450D (similar in capability to a 40D but smaller) using the popup flash to trigger a 568EX set on top of the television. The distance from camera to flash was about 20 feet. In the future when funds permit, you can purchase the YN-622C triggers for full remote control of the flash.

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Dec 11, 2013 08:38 |  #10

I'd wait until they release the RT flash. YN just released the YN-E3-RT. Post count #98.

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Dec 11, 2013 09:03 as a reply to  @ digital paradise's post |  #11

If you want ttl on camera and off camera I would recommended the YN 568EX gen 1 with YN622c's Having HSS is handy with the YN568EX. There were some bugs like elv says on the gen 2 568EX.

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So you can get 2 YN568EX flashes for the price of a Canon 580EXII. I have used theses on many shoots. I have been using them more than my Canon 580EXII.

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Dec 12, 2013 22:30 |  #12

ELV, do the YN-622c support flash groups and ratios?


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Dec 19, 2013 09:07 |  #13

Ok thanks for the help guys I just ordered the 565. The only thing Iregret is it ddoesn't have HSS but I am not sure how much I am going to use it. I want the 565 on my camera and one manual flash like the 560 for a hair light. Do I need the 622 to trigger it as well? Is there a difference between the 622 and 622c?




  
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