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5d Mark 3 for sports - Will I notice a difference if I upgrade?

 
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Dec 10, 2013 10:35 |  #1

I know every situation is different for photographers, but here is mine:

I shoot mostly sports. I take a few of my son, around the house but sports are my main interest. I take pictures for parents and usually photoshop posters for them. (16x20, 20x30, etc) They pay me for this, so I make a little money from my posters. I also take some sports pictures for the school I teach at.

I currently have a 60d, but my gym and football pictures are a little muddy due to the ISO and focus. This is somewhat magnified when I blow the picture up. I do all the noise reduction, etc in post processing. The parents are satisfied, but I believe the quality could be greatly improved.

I shoot basketball with a Canon 70-200 f2.8 (newest version).

For my situation, would I see a noticeable difference in photo quality upgrading from the 60d to the 5d mark iii? If I were taking photos around the house, I wouldn't do anything. Thank you for any comments.




  
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Dec 10, 2013 10:40 |  #2

Yes you wil see a quality increase for any shots using high ISOs. The focus on the 5DIII is also very accurate and reliable for sports in my experience. I use it along side a 1Dx and find the 5DIII is very capable in comparison.


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Dec 10, 2013 10:43 |  #3

Here is a sample at ISO 6400 using the 5DIII

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Dec 10, 2013 11:37 |  #4

Yes, indeed!
The 5D3 AF will be a significant improvement once you get used to the differences.
And as mentioned, the high ISO noise levels will be an improvement. Also, overall IQ will improve in any light.


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Dec 10, 2013 12:15 |  #5

As said once you adjust to the crop/magnification difference, now being there is none, you'll not be disappointed. I have found the 5D III, to be my go to body even with football. It does not have the fps of the X, IV, III or even the 7D if you shoot sequentially, but it is fast enough. It is a nice body!




  
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Dec 10, 2013 16:39 |  #6

I have struggled with moving to a 5D mrk3 for shooting dance comps. I currently use a 7D and get very nice results but normally have to shoot in the ISO 1600 and above range to accomplish a fast enough SS to stop the dancers motion. The focus system is good but still tends to miss especially in the lower lit venues. Last sunday I shot a preview show in a very poorly lit gym. I had no choice but to shoot @ ISO 6400 just to maintain a SS of 400. Still got some great shot but the noise is high. Will the 5D give me a few stops better plus a better focus accuracy? Any real world, on hand experience with this upgrade?




  
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Dec 10, 2013 16:45 as a reply to  @ flashpoint99's post |  #7

The ISO performance of the 5d is so much better than the 7d. Also, the focus system of the 5d is like a 7d on steroroids. The 5d's autofocus is really customizable and locks on fast. You will not regret purchasing a 5d iii.


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Dec 10, 2013 17:33 |  #8

Just bought it. Headed to the ballgame!




  
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Dec 10, 2013 17:46 |  #9

Good luck, let us know what you think!

I love the 5D3, & felt good about the upgrade.


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Dec 11, 2013 00:08 |  #10

I really like my 60d and the pictures are good, but I had no idea what I was missing out on! The 5d autofocus is unreal and the pictures look really good!




  
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Dec 11, 2013 14:22 |  #11

rob4bama wrote in post #16517970 (external link)
I really like my 60d and the pictures are good, but I had no idea what I was missing out on! The 5d autofocus is unreal and the pictures look really good!

Pics? Story? How much improvement in quality and keeper rate did you experience. Trying to justify the 3k expence to the Boss Lady!;)




  
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Dec 11, 2013 15:10 |  #12

rob4bama wrote in post #16517970 (external link)
I really like my 60d and the pictures are good, but I had no idea what I was missing out on! The 5d autofocus is unreal and the pictures look really good!

An expected outcome moving from the 7D. Just don't ever make the mistake of thinking that the SD drive will take 6 fps bursts of RAW photos. I did once, it stalls out really fast, and you are stuck with P&S lag.


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Dec 11, 2013 23:38 |  #13

Sorry. Just got a chance to reply to some comments.

Our school traveled to our rivals new gym so the lighting was nice. I set the 5d to 1/800, f2.8, ISO 8000. The 60d would have been probably 1/640, f2.8, ISO 6400. I usually sit on the floor, against the wall, where the 3 pt. line meets the base line. I get a lot of ref butt shots but I like that spot. I noticed I can finally get a full body, extended lay-up with the full frame. The crop is just too close with the 70-200.

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I noticed the focus first. The 60d kinda hunted a little. It was bad if the player is coming to you, especially on a fast break. I couldn't believe the tracking with the 5d, even with players crossing in front of others. With the 60d, if a player crossed, it would take a little longer to pick the player back up.

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The pictures look good to me. You can compare two ballgame if you want to sort through the sets. The first is the 5d mark 3 - 1/800, f2.8, ISO8000

http://www.flickr.com …6/sets/72157638​578356443/ (external link)

The next is a different gym with the 60d. 1/640, f2.8, ISO6400. The pictures look ok but they aren't as crisp to me as with the new camera.

http://www.flickr.com …6/sets/72157638​118581146/ (external link)

I'll take pictures again at this gym soon. Here is the 60d, driving in.
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IMG_955411381 (external link) by Section Sports Pix (external link), on Flickr
Another -
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IMG_997911737 (external link) by Section Sports Pix (external link), on Flickr

Parents like these because they are better than their camera or iphone, but they are pretty bad if you get down to it. But they are missed focus because I believe the 60d struggles with the AI servo. Especially on dark jerseys.

I guess the keeper rate was about 80-85%. That's focused, not composition.

The ultimate test is the home cave we play in. I'll post some when I go back there next weekend.

Cave -
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IMG_010811934 (external link) by Section Sports Pix (external link), on Flickr

By the way, a parent of the opposing team saw me shooting pictures. Sold another poster right there. A quick $100 to pay on the camera.
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Austin Jonessm (external link) by Section Sports Pix (external link), on Flickr

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Dec 12, 2013 00:00 |  #14

I like these "About to rebound a foul shot" shot. Here are some comparisons:

60d

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IMG_000911761 (external link) by Section Sports Pix (external link), on Flickr
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IMG_025912104 (external link) by Section Sports Pix (external link), on Flickr
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IMG_999412020 (external link) by Section Sports Pix (external link), on Flickr

5d Mark iii
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317A006512247 (external link) by Section Sports Pix (external link), on Flickr
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317A027212409 (external link) by Section Sports Pix (external link), on Flickr
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317A029612426 (external link) by Section Sports Pix (external link), on Flickr

Random 5d Mark iii
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317A029212423 (external link) by Section Sports Pix (external link), on Flickr
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317A036812482 (external link) by Section Sports Pix (external link), on Flickr



  
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