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Dec 13, 2013 15:25 |  #1

I have a 580EXII and have just ordered a 430 EXII. I also have a Phottix II transmitter and one receiver.
AM I right in thinking that I can set both speed lights OC on stands, put the transmitter on my 5D MkIII hotshot, place the receiver on the 580 and put the 480 in slave mode, hence being able to fire both flashes without the need for a second receiver. OF course, I do understand that I will need line of sight between the 2 speed lights.

I hope that you follow that!

Thanks for any advice/confirmation of my assumption


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Dec 13, 2013 15:30 |  #2

Correct!

You just wont have any TTL functions, which isn't a problem if you shoot in full manual.


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Dec 13, 2013 15:35 as a reply to  @ maverick75's post |  #3

Thanks Maverick75

Yes, I will be shooting full Manual as I will be static in a studio


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Dec 14, 2013 15:37 |  #4

I don't own a 430EXII but I think I've read that it does not have a sensor for receiving and firing from another flash pulse. Since the Phottix is a fire only trigger the 580EXII is set to manual. But the 430EXII set to slave is expecting a master to signal it.


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Dec 14, 2013 15:45 |  #5

430EXII will work as a wireless ETTL slave to a 580EXII master! See p. 26-28 of owner manual.
The 580EXII can directly wirelessly (optical) control the 430EXII as a ETTL flash slave, but the Phottix serves no benefit...while it can pass thru ETTL signals to the 580EXII plugged into its hotshoe, there is no radio ETTL control to an ETTL slave.


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Dec 14, 2013 16:25 |  #6

A search for "hybrid mode" will produce useful results. (The term was applied by Syl Arena in "Speedliter's Handbook". Syl also wrote some definitive tutorials for Canon Europe.)

You can use a radio trigger to bridge the distance from camera to flashes, then have a limited set of Canon Wireless to fire slaves.

5D3 + trigger ~> receiver + 580EXII in Master and Manual modes with slave output specified on-Master~> 430EXII in slave mode.

If a smart trigger like the YN-622C is used, then the Master flash can be set remotely using your camera's flash control menus, and this will be reflected in the slave's manual output settings, (As in TOYUG p.19 - link in my signature.)


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Dec 14, 2013 16:27 |  #7

Wilt wrote in post #16527304 (external link)
430EXII will work as a wireless ETTL slave to a 580EXII master! See p. 26-28 of owner manual.
The 580EXII can directly wirelessly (optical) control the 430EXII as a ETTL flash slave, but the Phottix serves no benefit...while it can pass thru ETTL signals to the 580EXII plugged into its hotshoe, there is no radio ETTL control to an ETTL slave.

If I work in manual with both speed lights will my plan to use the Phottix to activate the 580 as master that will then trigger the 430 as slave work?


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Dec 14, 2013 16:30 |  #8

The OP wants both speedlites off camera on stands using a fire only Phottix transmitter.
That, as I understand what he wants to do, eliminates ETTL from the system and renders both speedlites as manual devices and the 430EXII can't do that unless its being told to fire as a slave to a master speedlite (or ST-E2). At least that's what it says in the manual.


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Dec 14, 2013 16:40 |  #9

dmward wrote in post #16527402 (external link)
The OP wants both speedlites off camera on stands using a fire only Phottix transmitter.
That, as I understand what he wants to do, eliminates ETTL from the system and renders both speedlites as manual devices and the 430EXII can't do that unless its being told to fire as a slave to a master speedlite (or ST-E2). At least that's what it says in the manual.

Gosh I am useless at trying to explain my thinking. Please bear with me. Plan is (a) Mount Phottix transmitter on hot shoe of 5D. (b)Place 580 EXII, as master, on a stand on the shoe of the Phottix receiver. (c)Place the 430 EXII on the other stand as slave to the 580. Does that make it clear. I would set up both speedlights in manual and then when I press the shutter button I expect the phottix to send the signal to the 580 which fires and at the same time triggers the 430 slave.
Clear?


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Dec 14, 2013 16:46 |  #10

dmward wrote in post #16527402 (external link)
The OP wants both speedlites off camera on stands using a fire only Phottix transmitter.
That, as I understand what he wants to do, eliminates ETTL from the system and renders both speedlites as manual devices and the 430EXII can't do that unless its being told to fire as a slave to a master speedlite (or ST-E2). At least that's what it says in the manual.

In that case, the Phottix non-ETTL control of the 580EXII would render all Master functions non-operable...the 580EXII has to be in ETTL mode for it to act as Master to an ETTL slave or Manual slave.


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Dec 14, 2013 17:58 |  #11

Yes, very clear. And yes, that will work (reference Clive's post). However, sync speed had to be reduced from 1/200 to 1/125 to avoid the black bar (XSi/450D).

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