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Sep 27, 2013 12:20 |  #241

jjphoto wrote in post #16323677 (external link)
Sinar P (with Canon 5D2). I've has this camera for quite a while, and a Sinar F for that matter as almost everything is interchangeable between them. Since digital the Sinar has been more of an adapter than a camera in that I've used it to shoot with lenses that I couldn't easily adapt to the Canon, such as large format, process or certain enlarging lenses. They are great cameras that will last most life times.

This is a very interesting combination John!
Will you give us more details and some samples too?


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Sep 28, 2013 17:53 |  #242

stetzam wrote in post #16329427 (external link)
This is a very interesting combination John!
Will you give us more details and some samples too?

Thanks. I agree, it's an interesting setup but it's size and weight make it difficult to transport and use. As a result I've mainly used it for product shots, for which it's ideal, and various experiments and lens tests. It's an ideal setup for jewellery, watches etc.

I also have a Sinar F which is a much lighter camera and therefore transportable. Sinar F and P models are the same except for the front and rear standards. The P has heavy and precise geared movements whilst the F has not, although the extent of the movements are essentially all the same between them. Everything is interchangeable between them.

This is the Sinar F with a 1ds2 (you really need Live View for this kind of thing, the 1ds2's main down fall IMHO).

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You can see the adapter plate (attaching the Canon DSLR to the Sinar) which I made from an EF to M42 adapter which I attached to a Sinar lens board. The lens board with the adapter clips into the rear standard of the Sinar where the ground glass or film holder would normally be fitted. You can buy these adapters on Evilbay for between $1-200 so there's no need to make them.

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You can see the lens mounted in the front, in this case in a recessed lens board that I have adapted. The lens boards clip on and off the Sinar standards so are easily changed. The beauty of any large format camera is that you can use them as an 'adapter' for lenses that might otherwise be impossible to adapt to a normal DSLR. All you have to do is make a hole and stick a lens in it!

For example, this lens board (below) is a piece of aluminium that I cut to shape and fitted with a lens. You can do the same with a large range of lenses.

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The image below was shot with a Xenar 180/3.5 (the lens needs a clean and is a bit hazy) which was fitted to the lens board in a similar manner to the image above.

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I have very few images from these cameras hosted anywhere so it's difficult to show the results. This is one from the Sinar F and 1ds2 shown above, using a Rodenstock APO-Rodagon-N 80/4 enlarging lens. The sharpness is superb and the bokeh is very soft on both sides of the focus plane.

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This is a 100% crop from the above image.
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IIRC the image below was shot with one of the Sinars, probably the P, using the Rodenstock Sironar-N 150/5.6 lens. The lens was tilted to control the focal plane, as you might with any normal tilt lens, however the Sinar offers much more tilt than most tilt lenses.

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I've recently started to experiment with stitching images using the Sinar P but don't have much that's worth showing, IMHO, although I like the gif of the camera itself!

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There are some serious problems with using View cameras for DSLR's, aside from the weight/size. They extend the cameras register significantly so many are limited to using 'longish' lenses if infinity focus needs to be achieved. It's often impossible to use wide angle lenses, unless they come from a camera that already has a very long register, possibly from a medium format camera.

To be continued:

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Sep 28, 2013 17:54 |  #243

Continued from above.

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In practice it's easier to use a Nikon PB-4 if all you want to do is use odd ball lenses such as enlarging lenses. However you will be limited to lenses that have a mount which is no bigger than M42, and the movements of the PB-4 do not compare favourably to the Sinar. I tend to use the PB-4, in fact I use it quite a lot, compared to the Sinar but that's mainly because of the size/weight of the PB-4.

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The images below were shot with the PB-4.

Meopta Meogon 80/2.8
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Tominon 75/4.5
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Minolta 75/4.5
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Schneider Componon-s 135/5.6 lens.
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APO-Rodagon-N 80/4:
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Sep 30, 2013 03:18 as a reply to  @ jjphoto's post |  #244

That's awesome.
A very detailed post with very sharp sample pics. The Sinar looks like a very expensive system that delivers very accurate and professional results.

Thank you very much for your effort!


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Sep 30, 2013 05:29 |  #245

I don't have any better photos sadly, but this came into work in some clothing (I recycle clothing), I don't think it was meant to have been brought in, but the owner has never been back. I will of course hand it back if he does...

Quite a nice camera!

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Sep 30, 2013 08:19 |  #246

jjphoto wrote in post #16331989 (external link)
Continued from above.

Very NICE details about your adaptations, and GIF's showing the possible movements. :cool:
Your resulting images appear to be well worth the effort. :)
-Bruce


The Captain and crew finally got their stuff together, now if we can only remember where we left it. :cool:

  
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Sep 30, 2013 18:10 |  #247

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FTb Was my first camera (Mine had FL and not FD lens as shown with same impressive F1.4) and I love it to the end. Nothing like it. Metal. Smell of real leather from case that was very unique.

BTW the concept you have was once produced. That is on early digital years, Kodak made a sensor and module that would seat on Nikon F4 and film camera would function digital. As you can think of, very expensive and cumbersome and never got that popular.
I can fully understand your feeling for the Dad's camera and that might be a good motivation to continue with film too. It is not really difficult as long as you can keep the film in right, and rest comes easy. Main issue is to find the variety of negative or slides that you want and then place to get them actually developed. Anyway FTb is like a tank and will probably last a lot longer than actually what we shall to see more generations of us beyond our own ability, as it will probably remaining fully functional!

Never really had a problem getting the film to stay put, and I probably have 500 clicks on that FTb. His biggest issue has been finding batteries. You're right about its tank-like qualities, though. One of the reasons I got the 40D is that it felt soooooo much better in my hands (after being used to that metal body).


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Oct 01, 2013 02:00 as a reply to  @ chadmcm's post |  #248

Canon AF 35 ML

The point and shoot with a fast professional lens
I think I paid 5 euros for this camera. The battery door is broken and needs a rigid piece of plastic to be fasten in the tripod hood to keep the door closed. With a 400 ASA film and its fast lens you can shoot in low light but not candids as there is a noisy beeper warning of the low light.

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I loaded the camera with a 400 BW film and got some good results at night
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Oct 01, 2013 06:48 |  #249

stetzam wrote in post #16334932 (external link)
That's awesome.
A very detailed post with very sharp sample pics. The Sinar looks like a very expensive system that delivers very accurate and professional results.

Thank you very much for your effort!

No problem.

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Very NICE details about your adaptations, and GIF's showing the possible movements. :cool:
Your resulting images appear to be well worth the effort. :)
-Bruce

Thanks.

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Oct 05, 2013 13:39 |  #250

Another of mine -

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Oct 05, 2013 13:56 |  #251

a Olympus OM2 with a 35 F2 attached.

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Chinon CM-5 SLR. Chinon 35-100mm/f3.5-4.5 macro zoom and Fuji 100 color film.

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Dec 02, 2013 11:28 as a reply to  @ InPhoto's post |  #253

the legendary Yashica T5 (T4 Super) with the Zeiss 35mm/f3.5 lens

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I was not impressed from the first film (Kodak Ultramax 400)
I had camera shake and missed autofocus, the waist level viewfinder is very small to look at,
Converted the scanned photos from the lab to a more plaisant cinematic look
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Dec 15, 2013 15:33 as a reply to  @ InPhoto's post |  #254

Canon 5D Mk2 w/ 50mm f/1.8 meets it's ancestor:

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