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Dec 16, 2013 14:46 |  #241

Bakewell wrote in post #16532135 (external link)
This thread is not asking about which is the superior overall camera. Back to the main question.

This was the OP's original post. Please show me where the 5D3 outperforms any of these requirements. Thanks...

And you know why OP is center AF point only coz till 5dmk3 almost all FF cameras (even 1 series) have crappy outer AF points.


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bobbyz wrote in post #16532149 (external link)
And you know why OP is center AF point only coz till 5dmk3 almost all FF cameras (even 1 series) have crappy outer AF points.

I have full faith in all my focus points on D700.




  
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Dec 16, 2013 15:46 |  #243

bobbyz wrote in post #16532149 (external link)
And you know why OP is center AF point only coz till 5dmk3 almost all FF cameras (even 1 series) have crappy outer AF points.

No more quoting those replies, I was doing well not seeing his replies! :) :lol:


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Dec 16, 2013 16:03 |  #244
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flowrider wrote in post #16531881 (external link)
LIke I've said I've shot wedding 20 years ago using film and fully manual. 5D3 will be better because of the AF (less missed shots and better framing, less cropping)and I know that from shooting weddings using manual AF.

Not trying to be snide but PM me a link to your work because I'd genuinely like to see it. No judgements but I'd like to see where you're coming from.

I participate in this forum to share and acquire knowledge, not to impress or be impressed. I have contributed a few pics in various threads. My private pics are just that…private and to be shared with a select few. Not sure I understand today’s philosophy of sharing everything with everyone.

My personal weaknesses’ are new cars and 35mm slr/dslr’s. I won’t bore everyone with a list of cameras but let’s just say it all started with a Pentax Half Frame shooting 72 b&w shots per 36 exposure roll while having fun in Vietnam. By the end of my tour of duty I had moved on to more complex 35’s.

I don’t shoot perfect pics but I do understand 35mm photography. Forty five years’
experience helps... with even a few weddings in the mix!

Now where were we?


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Dec 16, 2013 16:09 |  #245

CanonVsNikon wrote in post #16532191 (external link)
I have full faith in all my focus points on D700.

I thought this was canon forums, so no Nikons.:)


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Dec 16, 2013 18:31 |  #246

bobbyz wrote in post #16532379 (external link)
I thought this was canon forums, so no Nikons.:)

You're not one of the lucky ones to be invited to AMASS. ;)This forum will eventually not be fanboy oriented. ;)




  
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Dec 16, 2013 20:28 |  #247

jdizzle wrote in post #16532730 (external link)
You're not one of the lucky ones to be invited to AMASS. ;)This forum will eventually not be fanboy oriented. ;)

Till then.:)


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Dec 17, 2013 01:58 |  #248

Bakewell wrote in post #16532364 (external link)
I participate in this forum to share and acquire knowledge, not to impress or be impressed. I have contributed a few pics in various threads. My private pics are just that…private and to be shared with a select few. Not sure I understand today’s philosophy of sharing everything with everyone.

My personal weaknesses’ are new cars and 35mm slr/dslr’s. I won’t bore everyone with a list of cameras but let’s just say it all started with a Pentax Half Frame shooting 72 b&w shots per 36 exposure roll while having fun in Vietnam. By the end of my tour of duty I had moved on to more complex 35’s.

I don’t shoot perfect pics but I do understand 35mm photography. Forty five years’
experience helps... with even a few weddings in the mix!

Now where were we?

I am impressed ;-)a


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Dec 17, 2013 08:23 |  #249

Bakewell wrote in post #16532364 (external link)
...it all started with a Pentax Half Frame shooting 72 b&w shots per 36 exposure roll while having fun in Vietnam. By the end of my tour of duty I had moved on to more complex 35’s.

I don’t shoot perfect pics but I do understand 35mm photography. Forty five years’ experience helps... with even a few weddings in the mix!

Now where were we?

Wow! You started with a crop back in the film days...:rolleyes: Man you must be weird!...:lol: Just kidding...


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Dec 17, 2013 08:47 |  #250
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Nick_Reading.UK wrote in post #16533621 (external link)
I am impressed ;-)a

Teach an old dog new tricks...I can be swayed!
I new you would be... Just a point of reference.


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Dec 17, 2013 08:52 |  #251

Great question and answers.

I don't know if I'll ever shoot a wedding (I'd be happy to for family or very close friends...no charge...free meal). Wedding photography is the big leagues, in my opinion.

Also, I shoot center point and recompose. Obviously this works better with a little distance between camera and subject, as you can lose focus on your subject (if the subject is on the same plane as the initial focal point then it doesn't matter. Closeups are very difficult for keeping on plane).

Since I don't shoot weddings or sports, a 6d is good.

But the OP shoots weddings. If that's the case, and if you can find the extra money, then why not get what works best? In other words, are there any advantages the 6D possesses over the 5D3 other than price?


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Dec 17, 2013 09:18 |  #252

EOS-Mike wrote in post #16534032 (external link)
Great question and answers.

I don't know if I'll ever shoot a wedding (I'd be happy to for family or very close friends...no charge...free meal). Wedding photography is the big leagues, in my opinion.

Also, I shoot center point and recompose. Obviously this works better with a little distance between camera and subject, as you can lose focus on your subject (if the subject is on the same plane as the initial focal point then it doesn't matter. Closeups are very difficult for keeping on plane).

Since I don't shoot weddings or sports, a 6d is good.

But the OP shoots weddings. If that's the case, and if you can find the extra money, then why not get what works best? In other words, are there any advantages the 6D possesses over the 5D3 other than price?

You gain these, however much an advantage those might be to various individuals.

Smaller and lighter
1/3 ISO performance better
Less expensive
Wi-Fi
GPS

You lose the following:

1D style AF layout and performance
1/8000th shutter speed (basically an embedded 1 stop ND filter when shooting ISO 100 with fast primes)
100% viewfinder
joystick vs dial
dual card slots
1 custom settings dial setting
build longevity (shutter mtbf of 100K vs 150K)
weather resistance
a little bit of resolution (20 vs 22)
lower moire effects during video recording

Again the values of these are subjective, and might be worth the extra price, or not.

Here is a comparison page between the function and features of the 6D vs 5D3
http://www.digitalrev.​com …-vs-5d-mark/NTczODM1ODc_A (external link)

External views on the subject:
http://www.canonrumors​.com/forum/index.php?t​opic=15146.0 (external link)
http://coryparris.com …onal-photographer-review/ (external link) (he still chooses one over the other here (external link))
http://neilvn.com …sion/797/5d-markiii-or-6d (external link)

If I were undecided, I would always place practical experience over casual experience or random opinion (which I gave plenty of!). ;)

It's kinda like when I go to the track with my camaro, and somebody in the stands says, "hey you should run some of this 120 octane in that car, it would scream, don't you listen to all the ads? I run that in my car and it runs great when I get groceries". The guy in the staging lane next to me, having the actual experience, tells me that unless I have advanced the timing for that kind of octane, the high octane will kill my performance. Guess who I listened to, and what the actual results proved out? I learned a valuable lesson that day. :D


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Dec 17, 2013 13:07 |  #253
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TeamSpeed wrote in post #16534084 (external link)
You gain these, however much an advantage those might be to various individuals.

Smaller and lighter
1/3 ISO performance better
Less expensive
Wi-Fi
GPS
Autofocus sensitivity to -3 EV (the 5D Mark III is -2 EV)
Interchangeable focusing screens

You lose the following, however much an advantage those might be to various individuals.

1D style AF layout and performance
1/8000th shutter speed (basically an embedded 1 stop ND filter when shooting ISO 100 with fast primes)
100% viewfinder
joystick vs dial
dual card slots
1 custom settings dial setting
build longevity (shutter mtbf of 100K vs 150K)(neither guaranteed)
weather resistance (6D is also weather resistant)
a little bit of resolution (20 vs 22)
lower moire effects during video recording
superior HDR performance
3.2" rear LCD (vs. 3" on 6D)


Again the values of these are subjective, and might be worth the extra price, or not.

Here is a comparison page between the function and features of the 6D vs 5D3
http://www.digitalrev.​com …-vs-5d-mark/NTczODM1ODc_A (external link)

External views on the subject:
http://www.canonrumors​.com/forum/index.php?t​opic=15146.0 (external link)
http://coryparris.com …onal-photographer-review/ (external link) (he still chooses one over the other here (external link))
http://neilvn.com …sion/797/5d-markiii-or-6d (external link)

If I were undecided, I would always place practical experience over casual experience or random opinion (which I gave plenty of!). ;)

It's kinda like when I go to the track with my camaro, and somebody in the stands says, "hey you should run some of this 120 octane in that car, it would scream, don't you listen to all the ads? I run that in my car and it runs great when I get groceries". The guy in the staging lane next to me, having the actual experience, tells me that unless I have advanced the timing for that kind of octane, the high octane will kill my performance. Guess who I listened to, and what the actual results proved out? I learned a valuable lesson that day. :D

Pretty good list. Just a couple of relevant additions/corrections in red.


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Dec 17, 2013 13:14 |  #254

Low light performance I have used both to say that I can AF at ISO25600, f1.4, 1/30. And pictures suxx at those levels IMHO. So who cares -3EV vs -2EV. With 5dmk3 all cross points almost as good as center. With 6d, just center. That is why it costs less. Both nice based on what you shoot. Biggest difference is money and AF. Period. I thought 1/8000 vs 1/4000 will be an issue and so far not but then I don't shoot portraits in direct sun at f1.4.


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Dec 17, 2013 16:11 |  #255

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I have always used 1D series camera bodies with dual cards when I photograph weddings. Main reason was dual card capabilities. You are being hired as a professional to make sure you capture images and dont screw things up. Clients expect professionals to deliver the goods.

If you are shooting with a single card camera and the card fails, you risk reputation, and a financial lawsuit because you failed to take responsible actions to prevent possible file loss to a bad card. Like I said...It happens and happens more frequently than you would think.

All it takes is one time or a partial card failure to get your A$$ sued off.

I have seen it. Furthermore, I know judges that are into photography that are aware of the dual card prevention as well. When I asked the question, I got my answers. Judges know very well that newer technologies will minimize the risk if file loss when you record to both cards.

Now,,I know a lot of you think that what I am saying is ridiculous. But I do in fact know people that have been sued big time for this. Its not worth it if you have any type of successful business to take this risk. Our business does 90K plus every year. There is No way would i risk getting sued to a single card camera. When we were building this business i would not risk it either.

Not only do you risk a major financial setback( try having a 20K judgement against you ) more importantly, you risk major damage to your reputation if you loose a major portion of a wedding to a bad card.

I stand by my statement.......Its stupid and Irresponsible to take this risk. Especially when you look at the costs to upgrade from a 6D to a 5D3........But If you are willing to risk it all for less than a $1000.00 investment and shoot with a single card camera and photograph weddings.....Go for it....Just dont say that you have not been warned in advance.

I would not consider to photograph the most important day in someones life unless I knew I could deliver the results. I have never lost a single file because my cameras record to both cards at the same time. I have had a corrupt CF card and lost several files but the SD card had them on it so I had it covered. As mentioned, I know many that have not and they have had to pay big money to get the files recovered and some could not get all the files back. Ask someone who has been through this the same question. I have. The answer is what i am telling you before it happens.

So before you spout off that its a ridiculous statement on my part. I can tell you that I speak from experience and the misfortune of others who have had to fork over a lot of $$$ that they didnt need to do.....Its not worth the risk to your business nor to your clients very important day.

Again, i stand by my statement. While the 6D can be used to capture nice images, for professional work like a wedding... It doesnt cut it because of the single card system.

As for the 1Dx v/s 5D3 comparison, I have shot both bodes side by side at 2 weddings and do not feel that the 1Dx offers any significant gains over a 5D3 for wedding work. There is a slight improvement in ISO and some other AF system features that would come in handy but a 1/2 stop IsO improvement was not worth the price difference to me so i grabbed 2 5D3's instead. I know what the 1Dx is capable of and dont need those capabilities for our wedding workflow needs.

Well said.


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