5D3 vs 6D at Weddings

smythie wrote in post #16540577
the outer points on my D700 instill me with the same level of confidence as the outer points on my 5D (i.e. not a great deal). Got to spend too much time hunting around for a contrast edge on the correct orientation

Depends on the lens also. My Sigma 35mm 1.4 has not problem but f2.8 lenses have a bit more trouble.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16540222
The point is that -3EV is moonlight. Unless you are shooting moonlit weddings, the center point sensitivity of the 6D over the 5D3 is pretty moot, but people keep bringing it up as a big advantage. My point is that the 1EV difference based on Canon marketing between the 6D and 5D3 matters little.

I guess since I won't be doing any weddings anytime soon I'm fine with saving 1000 but I did buy into the low light hype of the 6d so I'm a bit salty. However, $1000...
I figure by the time I get up to weddings a new body will come out that will make the 5d3 and 6d obsolete

mattertea wrote in post #16540737
I guess since I won't be doing any weddings anytime soon I'm fine with saving 1000 but I did buy into the low light hype of the 6d so I'm a bit salty. However, $1000...
I figure by the time I get up to weddings a new body will come out that will make the 5d3 and 6d obsolete

It's not hype...There's more to low light capability then -3EV to -2EV. The 6D also handles high ISO better with less noise. Combine the two and it's the OPINION of most on this forum and others, that 6D is better in low light situations, even if marginal.

mattertea wrote in post #16540737
I guess since I won't be doing any weddings anytime soon I'm fine with saving 1000 but I did buy into the low light hype of the 6d so I'm a bit salty. However, $1000...
I figure by the time I get up to weddings a new body will come out that will make the 5d3 and 6d obsolete

The 1D3 was king for a while at something close to EV-1 or EV-2. It was pretty wicked. Then the 7D and 5D2 came out, along with the 1D4, and they were set back a bit. Now Canon has finally nailed the AF to be as good or better than the 1D3.

Bakewell wrote in post #16540814
It's not hype...There's more to low light capability then -3EV to -2EV. The 6D also handles high ISO better with less noise. Combine the two and it's the OPINION of most on this forum and others, that 6D is better in low light situations, even if marginal.

Again one of those mkt things. Technically yes 6d has less noise than 5dmk3 but I can show you ISO6400/ISO12800 shots from both and hard to tell them apart. Forget anyone telling from prints. Now with 5dmk3 I can nail focus mush easier than 6d. If you shoot non moving things or most at or slower than f2.8 or center AF focus/recompose then then save money and stick with 6d.

bobbyz wrote in post #16540849
Again one of those mkt things. Technically yes 6d has less noise than 5dmk3 but I can show you ISO6400/ISO12800 shots from both and hard to tell them apart. Forget anyone telling from prints. Now with 5dmk3 I can nail focus mush easier than 6d. If you shoot non moving things or most at or slower than f2.8 or center AF focus/recompose then then save money and stick with 6d.

Definitely agree, having had personally shot concerts, marching band competitions that run late into the night, etc. There is a point that it's too dark to really get much with the camera unless you have a tripod for a long exposure, or you are going to paint the scene with light, in which case, you would have the flash's AF assist to help you anyways. The 1D3 was about as good as I personally needed a camera to be regarding AI Servo focus, but it appears that the 5D3 and 6D are there now too. It gets to a point that specs matter little to most photographers, and they become marketing tools. We need Canon to work on the dynamic range at this point, and not low light focus or ISO.

Well built in focus assist light would be nice....

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16540882
We need Canon to work on the dynamic range at this point, and not low light focus or ISO.

I do appreciate a good bit of dynamic range, but I'll take some of the gimmicky stuff before it.

touch screens (like the M), apps (auto panorama's like phones), articulating screens, PDAF, mirrorless, TAV mode aka Manual w ISO auto, AF linked spot metering. These gimmicks would win me over high dynamic range.

kin2son wrote in post #16540888
Well built in focus assist light would be nice....

older DSLR's use to have built in assist light. I think the D30/D60 had it (these are not nikon models!).

Charlie wrote in post #16540898
I do appreciate a good bit of dynamic range, but I'll take some of the gimmicky stuff before it.

touch screens (like the M), apps (auto panorama's like phones), articulating screens, PDAF, mirrorless, TAV mode aka Manual w ISO auto, AF linked spot metering. These gimmicks would win me over high dynamic range.

The touch screen is definitely nice, and the flippety/swiveley screen would be too. My guess is that the next FF will have those things, because it may be the only way Canon will be able to pull people off the previous gen FF bodies. I wouldn't mind more dynamic range just so that I could pull up really dark shadows or stupidly underexposed shots to not blow out clouds, and still have something to work with.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16540222
The point is that -3EV is moonlight. Unless you are shooting moonlit weddings, the center point sensitivity of the 6D over the 5D3 is pretty moot, but people keep bringing it up as a big advantage. My point is that the 1EV difference based on Canon marketing between the 6D and 5D3 matters little.

I agree. In the real world some technical arguments here are essentially meaningless. Fun for us gearheads but not really relevant to a good picture. In the real world I think most photographers would reach for their flash to get that image in a form the client would expect.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16538486
Dang-it, my 5D3 was able to just focus on this EV-2 scene, I almost wished I had the 6D so that I could have a more definitive focusing experience to capture this shot once it got darker! There are never any better photo opportunities when the lighting is so intimate!

Especially if the right settings are chosen. Not sure what that photo is supposed to indicate unless you never shoot your 5D3 above ISO 400 (1/3200 sec) because of noise issues. The 6D at a modest 1600 ISO (1/60 sec) would have nailed the photograph...with NO noise.

stpix wrote in post #16540975
I agree. In the real world some technical arguments here are essentially meaningless. Fun for us gearheads but not really relevant to a good picture. In the real world I think most photographers would reach for their flash to get that image in a form the client would expect.

Flash doesn't work with AI Servo though...

I do backup work for a wedding photographer every once in a while. I started out with a 60D and when I gathered enough money and experience, I was deciding between the 6D and the 5DIII. I had to sell everything (except the 100/2) to fund the FF purchase. It was a toss up between getting the 5DIII and no lens to go with it or the 6D with a used 24-70. My sig obviously says I went with the latter. I was asked to take photos at a relative's party and I've experienced moments when the 6D wouldn't lock on as quickly as the 60D (this is using the outer points). Given the limitation of the machine, I used that event as well to get acquainted with the 6D better before going back to backup wedding work. From the looks of it, I'll have to make some technique adjustments (from crop the FF and the AF) but it's nothing drastic. Of course I would've preferred that the 6D had all cross type AF points even if the center point didn't do -3EV (maybe even -1EV would be ok just as long as everything's cross type). I could've stayed on crop and save a bit more to buy the 5DIII but it'll take me too long to raise enough funds for the 5DIII. Now that I'm with the 6D, I plan to keep this for a while (I can clearly see the difference in photos coming from a crop and this isn't about high ISO) but I'm definitely moving up to the 5DIII (or its replacement) when I've raised enough funds. The biggest weakness of the 6D is the outer AF points. While it does better in high ISO (than the 5DIII), I'd still prefer a more robust and snappy AF.

Bakewell wrote in post #16541019
Not sure what that photo is supposed to indicate unless you never shoot your 5D3 above ISO 400 (1/3200 sec) because of noise issues. The 6D at a modest 1600 ISO would have created a properly exposed photograph...with NO noise.

Zero (no) noise at ISO 1600 in a relatively dark environment? Come on, I thought you were all about the "facts".