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Dec 20, 2013 22:29 |  #16

bobbyz wrote in post #16543758 (external link)
For static shots I agree, sony is much smaller. Let us know how well it does for action/sports compared to that 5dmk3.:)

lol the 5DIII is my work horse, and a damn good one. say what you will about the 5DIII's sensor, but the 5DIII can handle just about anything you throw at it.

The a7r will never be a replacement for it. It's works for casual shooting, but I'll reach for the 5DIII for anything outside of that.

Jerobean wrote in post #16543769 (external link)
I mean, I see your point, but the lenses you chose are a little bit deceiving. you chose a huge 1.4 prime. put a 2.8 prime on there and the size decreases significantly.

i'm not trying to knock your choice, hell, I wish I had the money laying around to try it. I just don't see how carrying a smaller DSLR is much more convenient than a slightly larger one. they both are bulky and large, don't fit in pockets, require bags, etc. what about the other lenses, or flash?

The size and weight difference is pretty substantial in real world use. No it won't fit in a pocket, but its not nearly as bulky and clumsy as a typical full frame DSLR. When shooting casually, I usually stick with a single prime, and wear the camera on a Joby sling strap (don’t usually bring a bag). I don't usually bring a speedlight when shooting casually, as I’m less concerned about taking flattering portraits, and more concerned with capturing moments in their natural element…which usually means natural light.

I used to lug my 5DIII around casually with a sling strap like this, and while its a comfortable set-up, it is pretty cumbersome (constantly trying not to bump into things), and it draws a lot of attention to itself. It’s nice to “wear” a smaller, more discrete camera out for the day. It also doesn’t get the attention that my “pro-looking” DSLR does. I also like that it fits in the shoulder bag I bring to work, which gives me more opportunities to shoot, without having to compromise on the sensor.

The 35mm prime works for my uses. The 55 1.8 for the A7r is still pretty compact, and still offers a size/weight advantage over a typical full frame DSLR:

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Dec 21, 2013 01:22 |  #17

pulsar123 wrote in post #16542352 (external link)
I think the DR importance is vastly exaggerated. I think the current Canon's 12-13 significant bits is totally sufficient for most types of photography. You can't display high DR images anyway - monitors only have 256 levels of gray, and paper has even lower DR. You have to do some tricks to very high DR images to fit them into the display's DR - tricks which most of the time make the image look fake. (shadow lifting, HDR style tone mapping etc.). I used to make very high DR images from a series of shots (HDR), and then I was stuck, as I couldn't produce a pleasing image to show on a low DR monitor.

In most cases, the need for high DR can (and should) be avoided by choosing your light properly. If you do landscapes, choose the time of the day when the contrast is naturally low (blue hour). You don't need high DR for portraiture (weddings, studio etc.). I doubt action photography needs that as well. It could only matter in documentary photography, when you usually cannot control the light, but I think for this type of photography some defects (like overblown highlights, or unresolved shadows) are acceptable.

I'd take higher ISO (lower noise) over larger DR any time. You can do so much more with higher ISO - e.g. freeze action under low light conditions.

This x100. I need to save this for posting in future threads... :lol:

I get the need for shadow recovery with some shots, but honestly I have yet to encounter any issues with lifting shadows on my 6D files. I've pulled shadows pretty significantly in certain areas of photos with it and didn't really see any downsides to the shot. I can't really imagine needing more flexibility than that... however, I can see a huge benefit of being able to comfortably shoot above ISO 6400 :cool:


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Dec 21, 2013 22:34 |  #18

mystik610 wrote in post #16543896 (external link)
lol the 5DIII is my work horse, and a damn good one. say what you will about the 5DIII's sensor, but the 5DIII can handle just about anything you throw at it.

The a7r will never be a replacement for it. It's works for casual shooting, but I'll reach for the 5DIII for anything outside of that.

The size and weight difference is pretty substantial in real world use. No it won't fit in a pocket, but its not nearly as bulky and clumsy as a typical full frame DSLR. When shooting casually, I usually stick with a single prime, and wear the camera on a Joby sling strap (don’t usually bring a bag). I don't usually bring a speedlight when shooting casually, as I’m less concerned about taking flattering portraits, and more concerned with capturing moments in their natural element…which usually means natural light.

I used to lug my 5DIII around casually with a sling strap like this, and while its a comfortable set-up, it is pretty cumbersome (constantly trying not to bump into things), and it draws a lot of attention to itself. It’s nice to “wear” a smaller, more discrete camera out for the day. It also doesn’t get the attention that my “pro-looking” DSLR does. I also like that it fits in the shoulder bag I bring to work, which gives me more opportunities to shoot, without having to compromise on the sensor.

The 35mm prime works for my uses. The 55 1.8 for the A7r is still pretty compact, and still offers a size/weight advantage over a typical full frame DSLR:

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Thanks. Would you find positing some of these casual shots you talking about. Just want to get a feel of the things.


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Dec 23, 2013 18:45 |  #19

http://www.lensrentals​.com …13/12/a-bit-of-a7r-sanity (external link)

Here is a balanced summary of using the A7R with adapters by Roger Cicala of Lens Rentals.


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