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First shots with these triggers, help :)

 
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Dec 26, 2013 20:17 |  #1

Hey guys, I took this photo with some triggers that I got for Christmas and some CHEAP flashes I bought earlier this year

The flashes are Neewer TT520 speedlites, Yongnuo RF-603C triggers, canon t3i, canon 28-70mm F2.8 and a home made backdrop.

I am wondering how I should position my lights (2) in order to get a nice fill light on the face and prevent massive shadows?

I'm also wondering if anyone has the Yongnuo RF-603C triggers and if they like them/know if they will last?

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Dec 27, 2013 05:19 |  #2

you need to do lots of reading on portrait Lighting....its not something you can be told to do in one post on a forum....quick pointers to improve what you have already.

1. move further away from the background so the shadow has time to disperse
2. position your main light above your eye level (not Below) so the shadows fall downward, classic positioning is 45deg to the side and 45deg upwards.
3. Turn your face towards the direction of the light instead of away from it
4. your main and fill ratios don't look too far off, roughly have your fill light 1 stop below your main.
5. use a large modifier for your lights, eg shoot thru umbrella, this will soften the light and reduce the harshness of your shadows.
6. do lots of reading of portraiture!!!!!

The rf603 triggers are fine, they are durable and reliable.
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Dec 27, 2013 05:52 |  #3

Portraiture is brand new to me as is flash photography, and I'm learning as I go. Some days after reading an hour's worth of material I feel as though I just "unlearned" everything I had read up to that point!
I got tossed into taking our kid's portraits before we left for Christmas with my family and I didn't have a backdrop so I used a gray wall but the space was very close, literally about 8ft. Pulled an ottoman over and put it 2' in front of the wall, placed my YN560 on the floor behind the ottoman pointed up and set to 2/3 power and used the optical slave function. I got on the floor in front of the kids and put my 430EXII on camera and pulled out the little diffuser. The back flash kept shadows off the wall and washed out the gray wall. I was pleased with the result given the lack of planning or preparation that went into it. You can see the results on my flickr page. Don't want to post here and hack your thread.


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Dec 27, 2013 11:21 |  #4

Read through this guys site, it is full of good information.

http://strobist.blogsp​ot.com/2006/03/lightin​g-101.html (external link)

The 603 have a good reputation so I wouldn't worry about those. You will need some stands and modifiers for the lights. Umbrellas are generally the cheapest option to start out with. If you are willing to wait you can get them really cheap on eBay ~$4 shipped maybe, a cheap hotshoe umbrella bracket ~$5 shipped and some cheap light stands ~$24 shipped for two. This won't be high end stuff, but it will be a start. It is generally the Cowboy Studio brand or similar. I have had a similar setup for almost 2 years and it is going strong as long as you aren't rough on your gear.

Now if you think you will stay into the hobby or can spring for better stuff there are lots of options of course.

I would probably start with just one flash and work from there. Add a cheap reflector, it can be one of the foldable ones or just a sheet of foamcore board from the dollar tree for $1 or WalFart carries some for ~$3 a sheet but they make great reflectors and cheap to boot.

The biggest thing you can do of course as hbomb69 said is just study portraiture and lighting.

This was shot with the cheap stand/umbrella/etc I mentioned above. Two bare super cheap slave flash things similar to these http://www.amazon.com …=8-3&keywords=slave+flash (external link) on stands either side of the rear and brolly type umbrella http://www.amazon.com …keywords=umbrel​la+softbox (external link) with a YN460ii flash on stand camera left overhead 45 degrees down. It could use some tweaking, but just an example that you can get decent results with cheap gear.


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Dec 27, 2013 11:30 as a reply to  @ JVthePT's post |  #5

This might help as well. I was 2ft or so from the tree.


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Dec 27, 2013 20:57 |  #6

get your flash up off the floor. It should be higher than your head generally (it's a good starting point anyhow). 603 triggers are great, just keep some fresh batteries on hand for when you leave them turned on when you put them away... (or is that just me?)

Anything that looks lit on my flickr stream or FB (below) is done with 603's and cheap yn flashes.


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Dec 27, 2013 20:59 |  #7

btw, definitely go through the strobist lighting 101. It will save you a ton of time and aggravation.


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Dec 29, 2013 19:39 |  #8

OK I haven't taken the time to sit down and read comments much yet but I read a few

Here's some more that I took today because I had time and my GF wanted to model and I told her to take my picture ;P. I'll finish reading comments after editing this set

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Dec 29, 2013 21:47 |  #9

I got some good advice from friends as well to add some umbrellas or something to bounce/shoot through. Apparently the lighting in the one above is too harsh. Toolman21, that's a nice image ;) Kreepy with the description lol!

I figured adding some bounces or umbrellas wouldn't cost too much more, I'm hoping I can utilize a spare tripod I'm receiving soon for a stand? Is that possible?

The more I shoot, the better I will get, but for now I have a few hours of reading to go ;)


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Dec 29, 2013 21:49 |  #10

btw that image is not cropped, my GF just isn't very good at framing ;) lol she doesn't shoot, I just set up the camera and told her to take my picture


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Dec 30, 2013 12:15 |  #11

xarik wrote in post #16563137 (external link)
I got some good advice from friends as well to add some umbrellas or something to bounce/shoot through. Apparently the lighting in the one above is too harsh. Toolman21, that's a nice image ;) Kreepy with the description lol!

I figured adding some bounces or umbrellas wouldn't cost too much more, I'm hoping I can utilize a spare tripod I'm receiving soon for a stand? Is that possible?

The more I shoot, the better I will get, but for now I have a few hours of reading to go ;)

From the the holiday Classic National Lampoons Christmas Vacation, I suppose it makes more sense knowing that.

You can use a tripod to hold lights but they most likely won't be tall enough for most people standing. Sitting people you might get away with. You will have to get something to adapt down to a thread mount bottom as well, my triggers have a threaded hole on the bottom not sure about the 603. Then you still need a way to mount the umbrella to it. If you have no threaded hole most likely it will be cheaper and more practical as well to just get a light stand and bracket for the umbrella.


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Dec 30, 2013 19:07 |  #12

What I was thinking was that I have one tripod that can go up 72 inches, that one will hold my slave flash (the flashes came with shoes that are threaded for a tripod). My second flash will be the secondary flash (for the right side or w/e) and will be holding the trigger (which sits between the foot and the flash so I can mount that as well) as for getting an umbrella on there...yeh I might just want to spend the $40 for a set of those and some umbrellas :P


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Dec 30, 2013 19:55 |  #13

Adding this to my list of small purchases might make me a happy camper? :)

http://www.amazon.com …o+Compact+Umbre​lla+Swivel (external link)


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Dec 31, 2013 18:11 |  #14

If you have a 6ft tripod you can make it work as long as you have room to point down at an angle (aka short people) otherwise they will need to be sitting. I suppose you could put the tripod on a chair or something.

In any case the bracket you linked looks ok but I have never used them. These are the ones that I got initially. Super cheap but functional, that being said I am looking at the Manfrotto now as an upgrade for at least one of my sets because I want one that is threaded and not just hotshoe.

http://www.amazon.com …keywords=umbrel​la+bracket (external link)

Here is a kit that has 2 stands, 2 brackets, 2 shoot through umbrellas, 1 gold and 1 silver with carrying case for $45. Essentially the same stuff as I was talking about just packaged as a group.

http://www.amazon.com …keywords=umbrel​la+bracket (external link)

The standard disclaimer: You will want to upgrade later so I would only get this stuff if you are broke or not sure if you want to continue or not. That being said at $45 it is almost disposable once you use it for awhile.


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Dec 31, 2013 18:40 |  #15

I will have to wait a bit on getting that kit. Yes I am broke at the moment ;P Just bought a car that needs to be fixed up and I just spend $150 on a tripod and head as well ;P. Once I sell my XS and my spare Crapbook pro (macbook) I will have some spare money on hand for something like this. I'm too cheap to drop the cash atm lol....that's why I was just going to try and jerry rig it for a bit...idk if I will even use it later too


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