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Dec 28, 2013 11:27 |  #31

I have the Tokina 12-24. Never used the Canon 10-22. That being said, I love the Tokina. It's superbly built. The color and contrast is excellent, and the flare can be controlled for the most part. The canon 10-22 is definitively not built as well. I held them in he store side by side. I don't work for either canon or tokina, but I can tell you that the tokina is a great lens.


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Dec 28, 2013 14:52 |  #32

After reading this thread. it's amazing how build quality supersedes image quality.:lol:


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Dec 28, 2013 14:58 |  #33

The tokina has both. I'm not saying the canon is no good, only speaking for the tokina.


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Dec 28, 2013 15:09 |  #34

jbrackjr wrote in post #16560037 (external link)
After reading this thread. it's amazing how build quality supersedes image quality.:lol:

When I tried out both at the same time at a camera store in Chicago. The Tokina was just slightly sharper and had a much better build. I purchased the Tokina primarily due to the better IQ. The better build and the 2.8 and the fact that it was far less expensive were all secondary reasons. So... don't worry... image quality still reigns as most important.




  
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Dec 28, 2013 15:33 |  #35

nightcat wrote in post #16560069 (external link)
When I tried out both at the same time at a camera store in Chicago. The Tokina was just slightly sharper and had a much better build. I purchased the Tokina primarily due to the better IQ. The better build and the 2.8 and the fact that it was far less expensive were all secondary reasons. So... don't worry... image quality still reigns as most important.

I suppose it depends on whether you consider flare and chromatic aberration as indicators of image quality. Personally, I prefer to have as little of each as possible.


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Dec 28, 2013 15:49 |  #36

I'm not a professional. I'm pretty happy with my 12-24.


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Dec 28, 2013 16:49 |  #37

I have the 11-16 and it will flare easily and readily LOL! But I still use it. It isn't that hard to control and you can see it when you're getting ready to take your shot. My hand, or baseball cap if I'm wearing one, works perfectly fine at blocking the sun in the offending area. :)


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Dec 29, 2013 11:23 |  #38

BrickR wrote in post #16560257 (external link)
I have the 11-16 and it will flare easily and readily LOL! But I still use it. It isn't that hard to control and you can see it when you're getting ready to take your shot. My hand, or baseball cap if I'm wearing one, works perfectly fine at blocking the sun in the offending area. :)

And the newer version of the 11-16 is supposed to have better coatings to reduce flare compared to the original.


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Dec 29, 2013 11:37 |  #39

BrickR wrote in post #16560257 (external link)
I have the 11-16 and it will flare easily and readily LOL! But I still use it. It isn't that hard to control and you can see it when you're getting ready to take your shot. My hand, or baseball cap if I'm wearing one, works perfectly fine at blocking the sun in the offending area. :)

Yes, and photographers who use perhaps the best wide zoom lens around, the Nikon 12-24 f/2.8, often use the hand or hat trick. All ultra wide zooms that have such a wide aperture and bulbous lens in front are prone to flare.

Searching the following will result in a lot of photos with flare:

"Canon 16-35 and flare"
"Nikon 12-24 f/2.8 and flare"
"Tokina 11-16 and flare"




  
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Dec 29, 2013 11:42 |  #40

archer1960 wrote in post #16561762 (external link)
And the newer version of the 11-16 is supposed to have better coatings to reduce flare compared to the original.

All the reports I've read say there's virtually zero difference.


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Dec 29, 2013 13:13 as a reply to  @ hollis_f's post |  #41
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Some people never give up!

Let's look at B&H sales...95% recommendations among buyers.
Let's look at Amazon sales...all 5 star and 4 star ratings...2 lower then 4 star (neither due to flare).

Imagine if there was no flare problem! In other words, flare is a non-issue among these people. Buyers/owners love this lens! Naysayers be gone!


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Dec 29, 2013 14:55 |  #42

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Some people never give up!

Let's look at B&H sales...95% recommendations among buyers.
Let's look at Amazon sales...all 5 star and 4 star ratings...2 lower then 4 star (neither due to flare).

Imagine if there was no flare problem! In other words, flare is a non-issue among these people. Buyers/owners love this lens! Naysayers be gone!

i owned the lens and flare was a real problem for me, threw away a lot of good photos because of the ugly flare

please show me how to deal with flare during a beach sunrise where sea spray is a real problem and where i am using 2 if not sometimes 3 filters stacked together and the exposure time is 2 minutes long, without compromising composition

just because it's not a problem for YOU, doesn't mean it's not a problem for someone else

btw, don't bother responding/trying to argue with me unless it's about the solution to my problem above, i really couldn't care less about what your thoughts are on this lens or to convince you otherwise, i'm merely providing an OPINION and stating a problem of MINE when i had the lens, in order to help someone else in making his/her decision on the purchase of a new lens, which is THEIR CHOICE in the end, i feel no need to proclaim a "winning lens" or get upset if someone else don't take up my recommendation, in which you seems to be hell bent on proving "naysayers" wrong


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Dec 29, 2013 15:07 |  #43
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basketballfreak6 wrote in post #16562233 (external link)
i owned the lens and flare was a real problem for me, threw away a lot of good photos because of the ugly flare

please show me how to deal with flare during a beach sunrise where sea spray is a real problem and where i am using 2 if not sometimes 3 filters stacked together and the exposure time is 2 minutes long, without compromising composition

just because it's not a problem for YOU, doesn't mean it's not a problem for someone else

btw, don't bother responding/trying to argue with me unless it's about the solution to my problem above, i really couldn't care less about what your thoughts are on this lens or to convince you otherwise, i'm merely providing an OPINION and stating a problem of MINE when i had the lens, in order to help someone else in making his/her decision on the purchase of a new lens, which is THEIR CHOICE in the end, i feel no need to proclaim a "winning lens" or get upset if someone else don't take up my recommendation

Sorry your day is not going well.

Maybe there is NO solution. All UWA can flare especially with three filters which sounds a little extreme (OPINION). Are you saying that under identical conditions a Canon 10-22 had zero issues? Are you saying all these satisfied people are wrong? Your point is?


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Dec 29, 2013 15:19 |  #44

my day has just started and it's been fine up to this point thank you, as matter of fact i am buying a new tv after work today (which i am heading off to now) and get 2 days off over new years, so pretty stoked in fact

when i stacked 3 filters i used a cpl, nd and reverse grad, so no, i don't think it's that extreme for a particular shot i wanted

and flare is an issue with all lenses, but after using my 17-40 for awhile now i can safely say it is MUCH LESS of an issue compared to my old tokina, it rarely flares and when it does it's much much more manageable and easier to clean up in post (thought admittedly i am not that skilled in post) compared to my tokina 11-16 where a lot of them are just throw aways, mate of mine that comes along with me for shoots uses 10-22 on his 7d and he rarely have issues with flare as well

and in regards to me supposedly trying to say all these satisfied people are wrong what my point is, do read my original post again, good day :)


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Dec 29, 2013 15:23 |  #45
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basketballfreak6 wrote in post #16562300 (external link)
my day has just started and it's been fine up to this point thank you, as matter of fact i am buying a new tv after work today (which i am heading off to now) and get 2 days off over new years, so pretty stoked in fact

when i stacked 3 filters i used a cpl, nd and reverse grad, so no, i don't think it's that extreme for a particular shot i wanted

and flare is an issue with all lenses, but after using my 17-40 for awhile now i can safely say it is MUCH LESS of an issue compared to my old tokina, it rarely flares and when it does it's much much more manageable and easier to clean up in post (thought admittedly i am not that skilled in post) compared to my tokina 11-16 where a lot of them are just throw aways, mate of mine that comes along with me for shoots uses 10-22 on his 7d and he rarely have issues with flare as well

and in regards to me supposedly trying to say all these satisfied people are wrong what my point is, do read my original post again, good day :)

I'm happy for you. Enjoy your new TV!


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