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Justification in replacing canon 18-55 IS

 
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Dec 30, 2013 07:54 as a reply to  @ post 16563784 |  #16

If you've already ordered it, give it a try and see if you like it. After shooting with it for a while, you can resell it for a reasonable amount depending on what you paid, and you'll only be out a couple of bucks to try out a new lens and see if it works for you.




  
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Dec 30, 2013 07:58 |  #17

Frodge wrote in post #16563784 (external link)
I'm literally on the fence in whether or not to cancel the lens part of my order from b&h. Have a 1/2 hour to decide. I feel like here is not really a concensus in whether or not it is good enough to replace the 18-55is

now you only have 15 minutes left :D

it's better than the 18-55IS kit lens and I still use my Tamron 17-50 2.8 however for indoor low light shots I primarily use the Sigma 30mm 1.4
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Dec 30, 2013 08:16 |  #18

Nice. I actually cancelled for now. I really do appreciate all of your help. You guys have been great. I think I will use this 430exii and see how it works with the 40, 50 and 18-55. If the results are terrible I will get the tamron.
P.s can yo mount the flash on a quick release for a tripod?


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Dec 30, 2013 08:49 as a reply to  @ post 16563784 |  #19

Just get the flash and see how you like it. Nice addition.


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Dec 30, 2013 08:57 |  #20

Hopefully there won't be a reason to get the tamron after I fool with the flash. Many people say the kit is underrated from my readings and is replaced only because it's a kit. Even from this thread, I kind of get the feeling that the kit may be enough. Well see.


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Dec 30, 2013 09:16 |  #21

FWIW, you should consider buying used equipment especially if you are "on the fence" about keeping the lens. I have bought lenses from POTN, Ebay and KEH. There are many places such as Adorama & B&H that also sells used equip. This allows you to buy the lens, try it out and then sell it at no or minimal loss to you if it doesn't work out.

The Tamron can be had for $250 - $325 used. New, they are going for $500. YMMV.


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Dec 30, 2013 16:47 |  #22

Personally I don't believe the IQ of the ef-s 18-55 is as good as the Tamron 17-50 2.8 non vc. I have owned both. If judging on IQ only the Tamron is pretty much on par (minus some slight distortion at some focal lengths) with the ef-s 17-55 2.8 IS. Also the f2.8 across the board is awesome on the Tamron. The Tamron also has better build quality than the kit lens. The tammy also comes with a nice hood. Where the kit lens has the advantage is it is inexpensive (you can replace is for $80 if something happens.) The IQ is good for such an inexpensive lens, but colors are better on the Tamron. The autofocus is quieter on the kit lens (The tammy sounds like a movie robot when it focuses.) Although it is doesn't capture as much light the kit lens also probably focuses quicker in low light (the tammy likes to hunt in certain situations.)

Good luck with your decision. I have the Tammy non vc and its a really good lens, but occasionally it leaves something to be desired. Honestly if you were willing to spend $500 on a tammy vc new, why not opt for the ef-s 17-55 2.8 IS for $125 more used? That's the best in the business, with all the qualities of the best L zooms.


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Dec 30, 2013 22:14 as a reply to  @ Frodge's post |  #23

Well, I'll throw my opinion in here just to add to the confusion, though I see you've already cancelled your order for the Tamron. I've had the kit lens, and currently have the non-VC Tamron 17-50 and I'll say that the Tamron is much better than the 18-55. There's so much that you can do with f2.8 that I think you'd find it a welcome addition to your gear. Also, as far as focusing in low light it's not bad (much better than a stabilized Sigma 17-50 2.8 that I tried, fwiw).

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Dec 30, 2013 22:32 |  #24

I can't imagine why anyone would say that the 18-55mm IS lens (with or without an external flash) is equivalent to the Tamron 17-50mm non-VC. The 18-55mm produces images that are rather dull, whereas the Tamron has better color and contrast, not to mention it is plenty sharp even at f/2.8.

The 18-55mm is a great starter lens, but the Tamron is certainly an upgrade from it.


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Dec 30, 2013 22:46 |  #25

You guys just pushed me over the edge. I reordered it. I was looking at some Christmas photos, and can surely benefit from a constant 2.8. My photos came out pretty good. But I could have done better with this tamron. If it's anything like the 70-300 Tammy I'll be thrilled. That lens is a great copy and takes tack sharp photos.


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Dec 31, 2013 05:02 |  #26

Well then here's my take....
I have the 18-55.
Earlier this year I bought a Tamron 17-50 nonVC to take on holiday.
I eventually sold the Tamron.
Why?
The only extra above the 18-55 was the f/2.8
However this is useless if you shoot at f/4 or slower.
Stop both down to f/5.6 or f/8 and the images were not that much different between them be honest.

In the end I invested in an EF28 IS USM....best thing I ever did.


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Dec 31, 2013 05:59 |  #27

hmmm....Now im wondering if that would be a better choice. The 28mm......That was actually on my shortlist....

The 2.8 does make a difference indoors.


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Dec 31, 2013 14:27 |  #28

Whatever you do, buy 2nd hand (off eBay etc..) and sell when you don't like it.
You'll pretty much get your money back.

As I said I used to have the Tamron 17-50 nonVC, and sold it a month later for pretty much what I paid for it.

I also got a few primes (2nd hand off eBay) as well as the Tamron... the older nonIS versions of the EF 24, 28, and 35.
All these easily beat the Tamron hands down.

I soon realised 28mm was "right" for me. It became my main lens.
I sold on the 24mm and 35mm (again for what I paid)
When the new EF 28 IS version came out, I got one.
Now it's my main lens.

If I want a zoom I'll use the 18-55.

The Tamron is not all it's hyped up to be, and far too many dismiss the 18-55 because it's a "kit" lens and so (wrongly) think it must be cheap & nasty.
Better/expensive lenses DO NOT equal better pictures.


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Jan 01, 2014 04:40 |  #29

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At constant f2.8, sure, it's a worthy upgrade in my book, if those are focal ranges you want. Personally, I would get a prime, with wider aperture to make it worth while. Like a 35mm f2 IS.

Ultimately the 18-55 will snap out amazing photos. Better glass doesn't just make it all better magically. If you bought an ETTL abled Flash, you could use that 18-55 to great extent no problem, in any light. For like $120, you could get the YN565EX TTL, with focus assist beam, ETTL flash mode, etc. Just point it at the ceiling for bounced flash. Single best upgrade you could possibly do for your photography, and especially for capturing a kid in low light situations.

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Jan 01, 2014 04:46 |  #30

MalVeauX wrote in post #16562883 (external link)
Heya,

At constant f2.8, sure, it's a worthy upgrade in my book, if those are focal ranges you want. Personally, I would get a prime, with wider aperture to make it worth while. Like a 35mm f2 IS.

Ultimately the 18-55 will snap out amazing photos. Better glass doesn't just make it all better magically. If you bought an ETTL abled Flash, you could use that 18-55 to great extent no problem, in any light. For like $120, you could get the YN565EX TTL, with focus assist beam, ETTL flash mode, etc. Just point it at the ceiling for bounced flash. Single best upgrade you could possibly do for your photography, and especially for capturing a kid in low light situations.

Very best,

Won't work with ai servo... I see a lot of people talk about flash in low light scenes for focus assist however this matters little if you are taking shots of kids.


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