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Jan 03, 2014 04:46 |  #1096

Why do some folks use the word "racism" so randomly? I guess that's the popular trend now. Everything is race-related. Aren't Japanese and Chinese the same race? ? Why can someone who prefers made-in Japan lens over a made-in China lens be called a racist?


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Jan 03, 2014 05:25 |  #1097

kdrk888 wrote in post #16573795 (external link)
Why do some folks use the word "racism" so randomly? I guess that's the popular trend now. Everything is race-related. Aren't Japanese and Chinese the same race? ? Why can someone who prefers made-in Japan lens over a made-in China lens be called a racist?

This spat just looks to me like a classic forum posting case of a writer assuming others will read their posts in a positive light, and readers assuming the most negative intention on the part of the writer. I see it so often on forums - and it's the source of so many unnecessary flame wars (where one guy takes offence at something the other guy didn't mean, and instead of trying to clarify the meaning, the first guy goes on the attack).

Instead of writing "Made in China -> very dissapointing [Sic]", imagine if it instead had read something like "As far as I'm aware the Japanese lens manufacturers will generally build their best lenses in house, but farm off the stuff that's built to a price to Chinese factories. That's disappointing as I was hoping this lens would have a more premium build/quality control."

The above may be factually incorrect (lenses built in Japan being better/Chinese stuff made to a cost) but the point is the intention is clear - an assumption about economics, rather than racial profiling.

Because the original post was so short, it requires interpretation on the part of the reader. I understood it to be a comment about economics; but if you're not clear then others may read something different.

My $0.02 is that building in China may mean there's a little more variability in the samples (if quality control is lighter) but if the (same design) lens were being built in Japan it's unlikely it'd be worlds apart in terms of image quality, but almost certainly much more expensive due to the economics of building in Japan.


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Jan 03, 2014 05:43 |  #1098

pwm2 wrote in post #16571379 (external link)
Maybe post a photo of yourself, just to give prejudice a face?

Excactly why do you think it would be better to produce in another country?

Lol since when did recognizing some countries produce things better than others become racist?? Political correctness gone insane!

Can't wait till I'm shopping for a new BMW or Merc and the salesman starts to brag about European cars being a higher standard build than the local Aussie cars-I'm going to call him a racist and storm outbw!




  
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Jan 03, 2014 05:51 |  #1099
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Walkundertherain wrote in post #16573660 (external link)
I think lenses which made in China are never as good as lenses which made in Japan, that's all

+1

I'm more than happy and prefer to pay $500 more if it's made in Japan.

No wonder this lens is cheap lol


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Jan 03, 2014 06:09 |  #1100

Somebloke wrote in post #16573860 (external link)
Can't wait till I'm shopping for a new BMW or Merc and the salesman starts to brag about European cars being a higher standard build than the local Aussie cars-I'm going to call him a racist and storm outbw!

Reminds me of a great (Aussie) news clip I saw some years ago where a journalist was speaking to a guy about an advert for a property sale he'd put up in a local paper (by phoning the paper with the wording); it stated "No Asians".

On being asked why he'd put a clause on the sale he responded that it was because they were all slimy and untrustworthy.

"Don't you think that's racist?" asked the journo.
"Why's it racist?" responded the guy
"Well, No Asians"
"Asians? I said NO AGENTS!"

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Jan 03, 2014 06:25 |  #1101

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This could be months. Bryan can be slow to review third party lenses...if this were a Canon lens, he'd already be putting one through its' paces.

I don't like his reviews much. Whenever I look up a lens he will always, no exception, advise you to buy a more expensive one. I usually ignore him.


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Jan 03, 2014 06:33 |  #1102

Somebloke wrote in post #16573860 (external link)
Can't wait till I'm shopping for a new BMW or Merc and the salesman starts to brag about European cars being a higher standard build than the local Aussie cars-I'm going to call him a racist and storm outbw!

Lol, I'd like to be there to watch! You'd better do it quickly before there are no Aussie built cars!


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Jan 03, 2014 07:50 |  #1103

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However, since the poster (based on subsequent posts) could be in Vietnam, the disappointment she expressed could have been more political than racist and totally unrelated to quality.

Also, not all bias is based on race so your statement that this is the definition of racism is, in my opinion, overly broad.

It would still be prejudice, to base a view on manufacturing country without having even seen the produced items yet. After all - it isn't the manufacturing country you need to send the lens to in case of any warranty claim, so the only matter of production country is a name on a small sticker on the product/box.

The production quality does not follow from manufacturing country - it's all a question of what QA requirements that was agreed upon. This can be seen from the fact that many of the best - and many of the worst - products are made in China. If the request was for "make it as cheap and quick as possible", it will most probably be low quality. If the request was for "all shipped items must fullfill these production tests", then the quality can be world class. So the outcome of the production is all about Tamron requirements and validation, and not about manufacturing country.


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Jan 03, 2014 07:52 |  #1104

Walkundertherain wrote in post #16573660 (external link)
I think lenses which made in China are never as good as lenses which made in Japan, that's all

And that is called prejudice.


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Jan 03, 2014 08:10 |  #1105

pwm2 wrote in post #16574000 (external link)
And that is called prejudice.

Or an observation based on practical experience. I too try to avoid things made in China, why? Because so much of the cheap stuff is manufactured there and my personal experience indicated that if it's made there, it will break much quicker. No prejudice, no racism, simple observation.

Now I'm sure that there are quality goods manufactured there as I'm sure that there are bad goods manufactured elsewhere, but my personal experience makes me very wary of anything imported from there especially when not a brand name.


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Jan 03, 2014 08:12 |  #1106

Somebloke wrote in post #16573860 (external link)
Lol since when did recognizing some countries produce things better than others become racist?? Political correctness gone insane!

Can't wait till I'm shopping for a new BMW or Merc and the salesman starts to brag about European cars being a higher standard build than the local Aussie cars-I'm going to call him a racist and storm outbw!

Can you please quote the use of "racist" in my post? I did write "prejudice" and not "racist". Two different words. Two different meanings, even if people sometimes likes to think they are the same.

BMW and Mercedes being expensive cars doesn't mean I can extrapolate to European cars being of higher standard because that would be prejudice. There are also SEAT, Skoda, Trabant, ... The Trabant was terrible, while SEAT and Skoda have made some very nice cars. But not moved them into any "premium league".

In the end, it isn't really good to generalize. It just tends to end up with multiple losers.

Producing this lens in China is likely to give us better quality than if it was produced in Japan. The reason isn't related to education or competence, but the lower general salary level in China means Tamron can afford more man-hours invested in the production without increasing the sales price.


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Jan 03, 2014 08:12 |  #1107

I prefer White lenses to black lenses.. Am I a racist ???


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Jan 03, 2014 08:15 |  #1108

Walkundertherain wrote in post #16571370 (external link)
Made in China -> very dissapointing

I don't think she is being racist at all and I am Asian with 25% Chinese blood.

Now let's all take it easy. ✌


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Jan 03, 2014 08:16 |  #1109

We REALLY need to get back on topic....

Can't wait to see more user samples of this lens.


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Jan 03, 2014 08:19 |  #1110

Well they also make iPhones and other overpriced Apple products in China and I haven't seen anyone complain about that or wish Apple could manufacture their products in Japan :D


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