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Am I nuts? Superzoom for travel???

 
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Jan 07, 2014 00:41 |  #76

I never understood superzooms. Doesn't it make more sense to buy a bridge camera? It costs the same, it's smaller, and for daytime outdoor shots, the IQ should be plenty. (indoor and night shots are kinda hopeless with a superzoom on a DSLR anyway)

Personally I'm not really a zoom guy. The more I can zoom, the longer I stand still zooming in and out, and the less good shots I get.


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Jan 07, 2014 05:07 |  #77

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you should have strapped a pack on the kid and told him he was playing "Sherpa" :D

They complain too much. ;)


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Jan 07, 2014 05:43 |  #78

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I was "that guy" in Disney World when I first got started with good lenses and had way too much enthusiasm. I ended up carrying my nephew on my back and putting my bag in the stroller. He was lighter. :D

Sure I got some good shots but I spent more time deciding which lens to use and **** about how much my back was aching than actually shooting and enjoying my time there. I couldn't wait to get home. I will NEVER do that again. It's either superzoom lens, P&S, or phone.

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Jan 07, 2014 05:53 |  #79

jefzor wrote in post #16584445 (external link)
I never understood superzooms. Doesn't it make more sense to buy a bridge camera? It costs the same, it's smaller, and for daytime outdoor shots, the IQ should be plenty.

You are right. I used a Lumix FZ50 for awhile, which was great for travel, hiking, and daytime shots. Have many wonderful family travel shots with it. It sucks at any ISO over 100, and for taking pics of kids running around, say, at the beach. DSLR does better.




  
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Jan 07, 2014 09:38 |  #80

jefzor wrote in post #16584445 (external link)
I never understood superzooms. Doesn't it make more sense to buy a bridge camera?

Some of the photos posted here with superzooms look pretty good. You get to take advantage of the DSLR controls and larger sensor you might not have on a bridge camera




  
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Jan 07, 2014 10:49 |  #81

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I was "that guy" in Disney World when I first got started with good lenses and had way too much enthusiasm.

Yep.. +1 here. I actually only take the superzoom into Disney. (Except Animal Kingdon, I treat it like a day at the zoo).

I always had little kids with me, so I would sneak extra gear at the bottom of the bag the wife was carrying. (Ultra wide, a few batteries). Then as we started planning our trip the wife says "Maybe now that the kids don't need diapers, etc, it would be nice not to have to carry an extra bag all around the park."... NOOO!!!!!! (was my thought). So superzoom, and a 2 battery grip for me. :cool:


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Jan 07, 2014 12:20 |  #82

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I never understood superzooms. Doesn't it make more sense to buy a bridge camera? It costs the same, it's smaller, and for daytime outdoor shots, the IQ should be plenty. (indoor and night shots are kinda hopeless with a superzoom on a DSLR anyway)

Personally I'm not really a zoom guy. The more I can zoom, the longer I stand still zooming in and out, and the less good shots I get.

I am different, I am a "zoom in" type of guy (love wildlife, airplanes, a lot of stuff you need to zoom in for), and the occasion usually presents itself right after I am taking a wide shot :)

To me there is a fairly big difference between a bridge camera and my 70D with a superzoom (Sigma 18-250 OS MACRO) on it. Noise handling, DoF, shutter lag, AF to name a few. And since my video and live view AF is great on the 70D, I'd probably never trade that setup for a bridge camera. Tele shots from bridge camera with long zooms look impressive as long as there is very good light and the target is stationary. Once you are forced to up the shutter speed for a moving target, quite often ISO needs to go up and that often kills the IQ of almost any tiny-sensor camera.

I posted a few shots earlier with a few 100% crops. Sharpness is pretty good from my Sigma. And I've never been a fan of how a P&S or a bridge camera processes the images (simply not as good as a DSLR, especially if you go above the low ISO settings. ISO 800 or 1600 on a bridge camera with a tiny sensor looks unusable for me.)


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Jan 07, 2014 14:15 |  #83

jefzor wrote in post #16584445 (external link)
I never understood superzooms. Doesn't it make more sense to buy a bridge camera? It costs the same, it's smaller, and for daytime outdoor shots, the IQ should be plenty. (indoor and night shots are kinda hopeless with a superzoom on a DSLR anyway)

Personally I'm not really a zoom guy. The more I can zoom, the longer I stand still zooming in and out, and the less good shots I get.

As strange as it may seem, there are uncontrolled situations where a wide range of focal lengths are needed from shot to shot and where a so-called "superzoom" lens is the best choice.

An example comes from this cyclocross event, a cross-country race where riders compete on a long closed course. Most people have not attended this photogenic and accessible sport.

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Cyclocross is typically a late autumn sport when rain and snow are not unknown. This race was held in light rain and saw the grass course rapidly beaten into mud. The course was laid out so that a photographer could get close to riders, which meant a wide-angle lens was useful. However, a telephoto lens was good for isolated images of riders which showed the intensity of their exertion.

The combination of the rain and mud meant that sensor contamination was likely if a lens swap was performed. So to keep covering this event with the single camera body that was available, and not needing to hike the quarter-mile back to the car to swap lenses in a dry and clean place, it was best to put a Canon 18-200mm IS lens on the camera and use it for images that called for both extremes of field of view. This very real-world case, where the event controls the photographer, is one of many examples where a single-lens approach works best.

There's also a question of whether you want to carry two lenses and maybe camera bodies into the the woods and haul them up and down damp hills.



  
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Jan 07, 2014 14:32 |  #84

I bought a Sigma 18mm-250mm lens primarily for tourist trips so I can hopefully use just the one lens.


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Jan 07, 2014 21:21 |  #85

Sounds like a new improved super-zoom is coming.

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Jan 07, 2014 22:05 |  #86

alliben wrote in post #16586972 (external link)
Sounds like a new improved super-zoom is coming.

http://www.dpreview.co​m …edium=text&ref=​title_0_13 (external link)

Hmmm...

Even though the price of the 18-250 has bounced back up, this could explain the end of the year price drop!


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Jan 07, 2014 22:18 |  #87

Obviously there's a market for superzooms or they'd just keep selling the current one. Whether those who refuse to recognize there is a viable market for what was once considered too much of a compromise or not, many new buyers of DSLR's want versatility. It's only a very small part of the current market that expects razor sharp images all of the time even without understanding how to use their expensive camera properly. Consumer grade superzooms fill a very big area of the future market where people want the most for the least, whether talking price or convenience.


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Jan 08, 2014 07:49 as a reply to  @ cicopo's post |  #88

At the risk of sounding rude... and I am not trying to insult anyone. What I take from many of these conversations is much like armchair after the fact quarterbacking.

Some say "I would have used _____ lens instead" Its an interesting opinion and I grant that there may be something to be learned from that. However, the decision process leading up to lens choice, and often times the speed necessary to make that lens choice forces us in one direction or another.

Hind sight is always 20/20, and looking at a shot on how I would have done it differently, doesn't take into account the ability to see the shot coming. Once again, it goes to motive and target. If you are shooting landscapes at sunrise, you can easily plan it out, and execute. If you are shooting a bike race, or wildlife, or vacation, etc, the highly variable opportunities require highly variable equipment.

Photography is turning compromise into art. Even those who refuse to compromise, are actually compromising, there is cost, weight, convenience, speed, adaptability.


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