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Does anything compare to the EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM?

 
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Jan 09, 2014 18:31 |  #16

Granted, 24-70 II is an excellent lens. But, it's not everything of the world.

Looking at the sharpness numbers here: http://www.photozone.d​e …canon2470f28mk2​ff?start=1 (external link) A lot of lenses can compete decently with this lens!


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Jan 09, 2014 18:33 as a reply to  @ post 16592306 |  #17
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I hope my Tamron 70-200 2.8 VC doesn't ultimately suffer from the same issues as my Tamron 24-70, i.e. focus consistency.


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Jan 09, 2014 18:35 |  #18

Primes


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Jan 09, 2014 18:51 |  #19

I never had any chance to compare this lens to other 50mm lens. How is this at 50mm? Distortion and sharpness wise?




  
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Jan 09, 2014 19:32 |  #20

I've had the 24-70II since released. My copy is sharper wide open than what I have seen from some others, particularly at 24mm, at 70mm, my 70-200 f/2.5 II is sharper.
I feel 24-70 has better colour rending than to 70-200, but prefer using the 70-200 for 70mm as I do prefer the images a little more, however thats subjective.

I prefer to use my S35 over the 24-70, however there are time when I feel the zoom range is more practical, particularly as I don't have a 50mm prime.

I recently bought the Sigma 24-105 art, its every bit as good as the 24-70II, the difference is f/4 vs f/2.8 and OS vs non IS, the Canon is super fast to focus, the sigma is good and more inline with the speed of other lenses, the Sigma showed more vignetting at f/4, Image quality is superb on either so close I couldn't pick much differences, the sigma may have a slightly more contrast and richness.
I showed 3 pairs of photos comparing both, same subject, settings etc.. to 2 people yesterday, both picked the Sigma in all 3, so there is something there that is appealing, it may have been coincident, however its an example that the quality is there.
The Sigma would be a great alternative, pending your emphasis on aperture/image stabilisation.

Here is a side by side 100% crop I posted in the lens sample forum

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Alternative to these zooms, I would go primes, either the S35 or 35L, there isn't anything that is a stand out for me between 35 and 70mm (namely 50mm) in the current prime offerings though. I'm hoping the new S50art will be it, if not I may go Zeiss or continue with out. I feel similar about the 85s, although the 85L images are very pleasing to me.

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Jan 09, 2014 19:38 |  #21

^^ TS says that F2.8 is a MUST, but I really think he/she should go FF first before getting the zoom. He/she has enough gear to get started, and the lenses will behave a whole lot different on FF. Sort it out later.


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Jan 09, 2014 19:58 |  #22

Appreciate that, I'm just providing information to help the OPs in their evaluation of alternatives. The alternatives to a 24-70II are few, if similar or better quality is desired.


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Jan 10, 2014 11:25 |  #23

dave_bass5 wrote in post #16592306 (external link)
Whether this matters to the OP only he would know, but my opinion is dont just base the decision on charts and graphs.

"She" ;)

What matters most to me . . . I am really, really torn here.

After purchasing my 100mm macro I swore I would never purchase a lens without IS if I had the option to get IS again. I feel, quite strongly, that I should have purchased the 100mm L. If I could do it over again, I would.

If I could get the 24-70II with IS, the decision would be made for me. Even at a higher price point than what it costs right now, I would go with a 24-70II with IS.

I am concerned about the distortion with the Tamron, and the soft focus in the corners when wide open. I would like to play around with the lens and see what can be done in Photoshop in the way of corrections.

An aperture of f2.8 or wider is very important to me. I've dumped all of my gear that doesn't meet that expectation with the exception of one lens. I've only kept my 70-300 because my 70-200 is a bit heavy for me at times (I'm a 40-year-old woman with a bunged up right shoulder and right elbow, and I'm very right handed). The one exception I will definitely make is for the EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye USM, which I absolutely must have.

The 24-70 is simply the next lens I'll purchase. Not the last. I've got an extensive list. :D For right now, I'm looking to get maximum, quality, coverage with minimum gear. 24-70 fits well with my 70-200. I want the two lenses and one body sitting in a bag that is easy to grab as I head out the door on a daily basis. Inspiration never seems to hit when I have the "right" gear with me.

As it stands right now, I spend a lot of time mulling over things and trying to decide what I need before I leave the house. All of my "current" dslr gear,tools, and accessories, are stored in a Tamrac Expedition 7x. It is a pretty rare occurrence for me to leave the house with that bag (which is really heavy). I do have a couple of planned photo-essays for this winter (after I get the 6D), and the whole bag will come when I work on those (but it will mostly stay in the truck).

I think what I'll do is after I've purchased the 6D next month (happy 41st birthday to me), I'll rent the EF 24-70 f/2.8L II to see if the lack of IS is really as big an issue as it feels like right now. I can rent it for $40 a day, and up to three days rental can be applied to the purchase of the lens if I decide to purchase it. I have a $280 rebate coming for my 70-200 which could go towards it. And, maybe I'll get lucky and Canon will have more rebates soon. Unfortunately, I can't rent the Tamron. I'll have to discuss the issue with The Camera Store. Maybe they can help me out somehow: let me exchange the Tamron for the Canon if it doesn't work out for me.

At least it looks like I'm only really deciding between two lenses right now. If another lens that strongly compares to them is thrown into the mix my brain might short circuit.

FYI: I don't ever sell gear that I'm done with or that I upgrade (so buying the Tamron, and then selling it if it didn't work out for me isn't really an option). Whenever I replace something, it winds up in my 20-year-old son's camera bag. I'm not ready to give him my 100mm marco yet, which is why I haven't replaced it. Photography (along with fishing and target shooting) is something we enjoy doing together, and keeping his camera bag nicely stocked helps to ensure that I have an awesome photobuddy and a 2nd shooter that does what he's told (sometimes). :lol:

I've read all of the posts in this thread (thank you, everyone). I need to reread everything, and review all of the photos again. There is a lot to absorb here. Forgive me if I've missed replying to something that I need to reply to . . . hopefully I'll catch it the second time through.


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Jan 10, 2014 11:37 |  #24

Late to this thread. I don't have experience with the Tamron but I got the 24-70 II over Thanksgiving. It is easily the best lens I have ever used and worth every penny, to me at least. I was impressed by my 70-200 F4 but the 24-70 II is a notch above even that lens which as you might know is no slouch. The contrast and color rendition is simply superb. I can easily say that on no other lens I have do I need to do less PP. Whether it is worth 1600 bucks to you is something only you can determine, but for me, I'll probably never sell it.


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Jan 10, 2014 11:39 as a reply to  @ neacail's post |  #25

People say it's sharper than a prime, but real world test say otherwise

http://www.ronmartblog​.com …-canon-24-70-f28l-ii.html (external link)


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Jan 10, 2014 11:49 |  #26

neacail wrote in post #16594122 (external link)
"She" ;)

The 24-70 is simply the next lens I'll purchase. Not the last. I've got an extensive list. :D For right now, I'm looking to get maximum, quality, coverage with minimum gear. 24-70 fits well with my 70-200. I want the two lenses and one body sitting in a bag that is easy to grab as I head out the door on a daily basis. Inspiration never seems to hit when I have the "right" gear with me.

I think the 24-70 II and the 70-200 II are are fantastic combo. Two legs of the holy zoom trinity! ;)


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Jan 10, 2014 11:54 |  #27

Been there... As a matter of fact, I still am... I agonized the better part of a year about the EF 24-70 MkII and the Tamron 24-70. In the end, I decided that I had to buy the Canon, otherwise, buyer's remorse would get me. Buy once, cry once they say.

Fate would have it, I received a lens with AF problems throughout the focal length range, distance (yes, it would go from front to back focusing with distance) even aperture (strangely enough it would change the focus point from front to back going from f2.8 to f5.6).

Having read everything I could (no similar, at least not as extensive problems) and having caught hell from a bunch of fanatics in this forum, I decided to ask for another copy on the strength of 1 good photo (well a few but this one was stellar) where the FL/distance/aperture conspired to be perfect.

My second copy is stellar! In my new 5D3 got calibrated (W/T) at (0/0)!

Having said all this, what is the effect of no IS?

Yes, I can't shoot two stops below 1/FL... my hands are not that steady... But I haven't missed many other shots due to the lack of IS. I haven't canned more than 10 shots in 6 months due to camera movement.

Here is an example in fairly low light conditions.

FL=70 mm
SS=1/100 (it should be more like 1/125 for the crop camera)
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I am pretty happy with the shot

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Jan 10, 2014 12:09 |  #28

I had both for a time, the 24-70II and the tamron 24-70vc. with the high ISO performance of the 6d then, and now the 5d3, I wasn't as worried about VC/IS because I could push ISO and be fine. The Tamron was plenty sharp for me, and in extremem lighting, the VC was solid. But, the 24-70 is just freakin sharp. Like made me feel like I was taking pics for a magazine sharp. Definitely made me feel like less PP work was necessary or needed


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Jan 10, 2014 12:20 |  #29

Sorry Shelly, I should have checked. I just didn't think ladies wanted to own gear like this (joke :).

The question about IS seems to always come up in the 24-70 threads, but from what I can see, and experience myself, it's not quite the killer feature it seems to be, and I've not read many posts by people going the other way and abandoning the Canon for the Tamron.

If you like your 70-300 then you will knocked out with the IQ of the 24-70, same ogres for the pancake and 50mm. The 24-70 can't beat all lenses, but what it does in it's own category it seems to lead the pack. It's big and heavy compared to most of your other lenses, and this might be an issue (the Tamron is also big and heavy).
In the year I've owned my MKII it's not let me down, and makes a good all round lens assuming you don't need outside of the focal range.

One other thing, I can't see a FF camera in your sig, so when you get your 6D the change of focal length might be a bit of a shock, and you might find all your lenses become too short, and that something like the 24-105 might be more suitable. Just saying, it's what I found although I am now used to FF.

Oh. And have a very happy birthday next month :-)


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Jan 10, 2014 12:22 |  #30

I know that the general rule of thumb is 1/focal length for SS on FF, but with the high ISO capabilities of the 6D, I find it not too hard to do better than that by a good margin. I admit having IS would present no downsides whatsoever (except maybe price), but I don't miss it at all on the 24-70 II.


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