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Jan 15, 2014 07:22 |  #1

... ...This thread continues a discussion that began on another thread in photo sharing but more appropriately belongs here.


I was comparing some strobed shots with ambient when taken in the same venue at the same time. Here is the stobe set-up from an earlier game.

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First, two strobed images. 1/250 sec, f/2.8, ISO 160

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Now two ambient images. Same night, same equipment. 1/800-1/640sec. f/2.8, ISO6400


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The question was asked about using 2 vs 4 Bees. I almost always use 2 B800 Alien Bees to strobe a gym. The ability to use 4 at my home gym is a luxury. The lights on this night were set up by my friend (and friend of the forum) Mark Weaver. All shots were with the 1D X and EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II.

Are strobes worth the trouble? It depends.

It depends upon how poor the lighting is at the gym. The darker the gym the better as far as strobes are concerned. The amount of 'ghosting' is dependent upon how far above the ambient light levels your strobes can take you. It is best if you can get 3 or more stops above ambient. If the gym is bright, it will be difficult to get those 3 stops over ambient and that's fine since the extra light makes it easier to shoot ambient images.

It also depends upon the quality of the light. Some gyms have the old bulb technology that has a distorted spectra and results in too much yellow causing the players to look as if they all have hepatitis! Strobed light helps correct this and eliminates issues from light cycling. Since much lower ISOs are used, you also have the option to shoot at say f/4.0 instead of 2.8 or wider. That makes focusing easier since there is a larger dof. The light fall off from strobes can add to the separation from the fans instead of needing that large aperture.

My use of strobes has fallen dramatically with the advances in lighting and the wonderful performance of the new generation of dslr bodies that can give high quality images at ISO 6400 (and higher). It certainly is a lot easier to just walk into a strange gym with 1 body and a few lenses and fire away instead of setting up strobes, worrying about power and trip hazards, figuring out the best location to place the strobes and giving up the ability to shoot in bursts. (Strobes take about a second to recharge)

Conclusion? There are many factors to consider when choosing strobes vs ambient. The characteristics of the venue and the equipment available to you make for different choices at different times and places.

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Jan 18, 2014 21:54 |  #2

Phil, always a pleasure to view your work and thank you for the information/blog:)
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Jan 25, 2014 06:00 as a reply to  @ C.david's post |  #3

Thank you sir, for sharing your knowledge.




  
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Jan 26, 2014 00:13 |  #4

Great post




  
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Jan 26, 2014 01:23 |  #5

Good info Phil.
I use another technique to add for discussion and trial for those who might want to improve pictures in the HS gym "cave". Ever since I got my 5D3 and its good high ISO capability I use the flash with HSS. This was shot at ISO 5000, f3.2, 1/1000 sec and my 580EX set to High Speed Sync (HSS). The flash bounced off the ceiling nearly straight up provides a nice consistent light and brighter colors than otherwise produced by the gym florescent lights. I also rubber band a small black foam piece in front of the flash to completely block direct flash from anyone's eyes.
I don't get the ghosting produced by the strobes with 1/250 and overpower ambient. No setup, completely portable.
Of course if the gym is painted in school colors this wont work, but neither would any bounced light.


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Jan 26, 2014 07:25 |  #6

ChunkyDA wrote in post #16637361 (external link)
Of course if the gym is painted in school colors this wont work, but neither would any bounced light.

Thanks for the info. However, the cave-like gyms I have had the pleasure of shooting in, they have been any color but white. I have had black, green, blue, brown, etc.




  
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Jan 28, 2014 06:40 |  #7

ChunkyDA wrote in post #16637361 (external link)
Good info Phil.
I use another technique to add for discussion and trial for those who might want to improve pictures in the HS gym "cave". Ever since I got my 5D3 and its good high ISO capability I use the flash with HSS. This was shot at ISO 5000, f3.2, 1/1000 sec and my 580EX set to High Speed Sync (HSS).

Of course if the gym is painted in school colors this wont work, but neither would any bounced light.

Those results look nice, Dave.

My worst hs venue ever had school colors of black and yellow. The ceiling was black with bright, ugly, yellow beams. Yeeech!

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Jan 28, 2014 14:00 |  #8

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Thanks for the info. However, the cave-like gyms I have had the pleasure of shooting in, they have been any color but white. I have had black, green, blue, brown, etc.

I've used both HSS and strobes to overpower ambient. There are many ways to approach this. Using HSS, it doesn't have to be bounced. Here are some direct flash shots using HSS. They are in each corner on the side I shot. The flashes are about 3 feet above the goal and pointed towards the top of the key.
All of these were taken with a 5DIII, 70-200 IS II, ISO 8000, ss 1/640 -800, f/3.2
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Jan 28, 2014 16:08 |  #9

Those look good Theron. I don't have any way to trigger OCF with HSS and it's probably not worth the expense to me right now but it is really good to show what is available to improve the product.


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Jan 28, 2014 16:30 |  #10

ChunkyDA wrote in post #16645051 (external link)
Those look good Theron. I don't have any way to trigger OCF with HSS and it's probably not worth the expense to me right now but it is really good to show what is available to improve the product.

Thanks Dave. I'm using the Yongnuo 622c as the triggers. They are about $40 each but well worth the expense if you use HSS a lot.


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Jan 28, 2014 20:23 |  #11

I hear they work well and if I pick up a 600EX I might just keep my 580EXII, it's only money...


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