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Jan 16, 2014 16:57 |  #31

Amfoto1, thanks! for the indepth response! So I coudl potentnially be looking at something like this:

70-200 2.8 (Tammy, cant afford Canon)
Sigma 17-50
Canon 50mm 1.4 (sell my 1.8)

Aside from them I know i have other options such as the

35mm EF or the 85 1.8 or 135L

I know i could just get the telephoto and then a short lens such as the Sigma, but want that lens to be better then my old kit lens of 18-55. If could invest in an L lens such as 135, but for mostly portraits, need to see how it would benefit me more. Ive been watching reviews on both the 185 and 35 and they are impressive lenses, but do I need them now if I only have a 50mm 1.8

Truth be told, at the end of the day, i know its all going to pruduce nice bokeh, im mainly concerned about sharpness, if i have to soften anything up I want that option.




  
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Jan 16, 2014 17:40 |  #32

Start buying the glass, I'd leave the purchase of the 50 f1.4 last, there are changes coming...


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Jan 16, 2014 17:53 |  #33

135mm is a pretty long prime on a crop for portraiture...i'd go for the 70-200mm first, this way you can see if you like 135mm, or if you want something a little bit shorter


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Jan 16, 2014 18:05 |  #34

DreDaze wrote in post #16611366 (external link)
135mm is a pretty long prime on a crop for portraiture...i'd go for the 70-200mm first, this way you can see if you like 135mm, or if you want something a little bit shorter

DreDaze, agreed.. and that makes sense... if i keep my 50 1.8 woudl that Sigma 17-50 be a sharp, suitable addtion for the shrot end? Or should I still be looking at something shorter since im on a crop? I forget about the crop factor and would like something that can fill that gap from the 70-200.. It, like the 70-200 would be used for portrait and (maybe landscape which, granted, I dont do right now, but if im buying a couple lenses, I would like that option, while still filling the short end range)




  
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Jan 16, 2014 18:09 |  #35

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DreDaze, agreed.. and that makes sense... if i keep my 50 1.8 woudl that Sigma 17-50 be a sharp, suitable addtion for the shrot end? Or should I still be looking at something shorter since im on a crop? I forget about the crop factor and would like something that can fill that gap from the 70-200.. It, like the 70-200 would be used for portrait and (maybe landscape which, granted, I dont do right now, but if im buying a couple lenses, I would like that option, while still filling the short end range)

the 17-50mm should be fine...i use wider mostly just for landscapes, or interior architecture shots...for portraits, i wouldn't go much wider than 30mm unless you are doing environmental portraits...but even then 17mm should be wide enough for most

but you won't really know until you use it yourself


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Jan 16, 2014 19:13 |  #36

The 85mm 1.8 may be a better fit for both your current crop and future full frame camera.


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Jan 16, 2014 23:56 |  #37

for under your 4k highwater mark you could get a used 6d and both the Tamron 24-70 and 70-200 2.8's (even new on all 3 you might be able to squeeze in under 4k but used I bet you can get them for 3k or under.


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Jan 17, 2014 10:20 |  #38

Mine1.. good suggestion, also thnaks Infinite and Dre.. Question, if I cant get the 6d and and am just focusing on glass (like i should be :)) would it be at all dumb to look at a 5d Mark 1 vs my 60d only? Not compared to a 6D or Mark ii...

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Jan 17, 2014 10:31 |  #39

digitalduck wrote in post #16613033 (external link)
Mine1.. good suggestion, also thnaks Infinite and Dre.. Question, if I cant get the 6d and and am just focusing on glass (like i should be :) would it be at all dumb to look at a 5d Mark 1 vs my 60d only? Not compared to a 6D or Mark ii...

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I think you can easily find a used 5D, along with a fast prime, 85 1.8 perhaps without selling your current setup and work your way into full frame. You should be able to get both for around $800. I think this would also give you a better perspective for where you want to go in the future. It seems like you are stuck between going full frame ( a laudable goal) but with mediocre glass, or getting good glass and keeping your current body. The 5D would show you the benefits of good glass and the fast prime would open up new worlds of sharpness and shallow DOF that you havent experienced yet.




  
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Jan 17, 2014 11:20 |  #40

Gonzo! Thank you! I have read everyone adivce, including yours and I know the direction I should be going in (better glassw on my 60D) but was wondeing how that 5D would compare to my 60d spec wise (if I couldnt get thet 6d)....if... but then you had mentioned perhaps keep both..

I got a really good deal on my 60d so it would be almost couterproductive to not try and sell it for more and pick up a 6d or 5d... its very tempting, thats one of the other reasons I want to make the switch.. going FF I would still like to pick up the 70-200 and a short lens say 17-50 sigma or (perhaps) an L level quality... 35, 85 or 135. I appreciate all of your help and feel im closer to a deciison. It will still motsly be for portrait, and some landscape for me..




  
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Jan 17, 2014 18:25 |  #41

The best lens for your 60D is the 35L I think. This give you a 56mm FOV very close to a 50mm FF.
Eventually, if you get a 5D or 6D, you will love the wider view of the 35mm on FF and getting the 85mm 1.8 now also makes the most sense for both cameras.


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Jan 19, 2014 09:55 |  #42

gonzogolf wrote in post #16613066 (external link)
I think you can easily find a used 5D, along with a fast prime, 85 1.8 perhaps without selling your current setup and work your way into full frame.

Not ot throw another idea around but if i could sell my 60D for more then the cost of a used 5D would it make sense to move to the FF now, since i want to, and would the 5D hold me off for long enough until i can get a 6D? Or would I be disappointed in the 5D's performance compared to what im used to with the 60d? I know its Crop vs FF, but just wondering :)




  
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Jan 19, 2014 10:14 |  #43

you could sell your 60D for maybe between $400-450...most 5D's are between $500-$550

you would be out a bit of money and you have to decided if what you are losing out is worth what you gain

you'd get a worse LCD, less mp, lower ISO(although it might be better at lower levels), i'm guessing worse AF, no video/live view, no built in flash(i don't know if that's a pro or con :)) less fps, bigger viewfinder, and the magic of FF...

either way you are going to need more lenses :)


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Jan 19, 2014 11:05 |  #44

Lol thanks :) yeah I saw the LCD and thought we'll I zoom in anyway to check focus so might not be that bad plus I only use my off camera flash with my 622's and 568ex. So that's ok. Less MP is ok for now. I have found some 5D's in great shape for 500 so I know I could sell my 60d for more have a few offers when I tested it on craigslist already. Hmm I'll get an l lens or two so perhaps. Unless I can get a good deal on the 6D




  
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Jan 19, 2014 12:35 |  #45

digitalduck wrote in post #16602433 (external link)
Im thinking ill have between 3-4k. I am mainly just doing portrait work now. I have done a couple paid shoots (finally) and want to continue down that road for now. I also am using my Yongnuo 568ex, triggers nad modifiers. I have read a lot of between the 6D and 70D, 7D. I also would like to get either a Tamorn 70-200 2.8 VC, unless a find a good deal on a used canon 2.8IS.

Also, can you reccommend (perhaps) a wide angle lens? If I only get the L lens it would be good to have a wide angle, so then id have the 70-200 and a wide and then stick with 60D.

I mainly want a sharp (fast) focus, decent low light performance outside, overall IQ.
If push come to shove ill just stick with my 60D and get a lens. I just sold my 55-250is and now only have my nift fifty 1.8 so either way, im getting a lens. I bought the 60D new for 360 about 6 months ago (no seriously) so would be nice to put the money from selling the 60D towards a better body too.

For between 3-4k, you could easily afford 2 fantastic lenses and a new camera body. For static portraiture, I'd skip the Canon 70-200 f/2.8 IS II purely because of the added expense. A 135mm f/2L would only set you back $1100 new, compared to over $2000 for the zoom. On crop, the 17-55 IS or 15-85 would be good standard zooms to consider, depending on your low-light and focal length needs.

As for the body upgrade, the 60D has a very capable sensor. I've played with the 70D a bit and the new autofocus system is unreal for video and live view, but I don't think it'd be a dramatic improvement for viewfinder shooting. The image sensor is a bit better but I don't think that alone warrants an upgrade. The 6D is a solid choice -- of course you'd have to consider the lack of crop factor and EF-S incompatibility if going that route. I would stay far away from a 5D classic unless high resolution and low-light shooting are unimportant to you.


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