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Jan 17, 2014 23:11 |  #16

If the 17-40 is too slow, then the 24-105 will be too slow as well. They're both f4.

The Canon 17-55 will give you speed, USM, and IS. The Sigma 17-70 will give you a longer range but it does slow to f4 at the long end.


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Jan 17, 2014 23:48 |  #17
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If you are getting paid for it, get an EF 24-70 f/2.8 II. If not, 15-85 and a 24 or 35 IS.


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Jan 17, 2014 23:51 as a reply to  @ EOS5DC's post |  #18

Get the Canon f/2.8 17-55:cool:
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Jan 18, 2014 00:01 |  #19

EOS5DC wrote in post #16614803 (external link)
If you are getting paid for it, get an EF 24-70 f/2.8 II. If not, 15-85 and a 24 or 35 IS.

I'll be getting paid, but I'm not going to net $2200 for a while yet. Honestly I would never pay that much for a standard zoom on a crop body (and yes, I've used the 24-70 before.) The 24 and 35mm IS lenses look interesting, if a bit expensive. Since everyone's saying the 24-105 is too slow even with IS, I think the 15-85 is probably out of the question for indoor shooting.


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Jan 18, 2014 00:11 |  #20

BrickR wrote in post #16614737 (external link)
If the 17-40 is too slow, then the 24-105 will be too slow as well. They're both f4.

The Canon 17-55 will give you speed, USM, and IS. The Sigma 17-70 will give you a longer range but it does slow to f4 at the long end.

The more I think about it, I think a constant f/2.8 is probably the way to go, whether Sigma or Canon. Variable aperture is a pain, especially when flash is added to the equation.

While the 17-40 and 24-105 are both obviously the same max aperture, I think the latter's IS would help quite a bit in getting clean shots at slow shutter speeds (I have "shaky diabetic hands"). I'm just not sure it would be wide enough, and then there's the issue of subject movement when using a longer exposure. Maybe I'll rent it and see if it works for me.


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Jan 18, 2014 00:16 |  #21
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There isn't THAT much difference between f/4 and f/2.8. If f/4 isn't going to cut it, f/2.8 will be marginal at best.


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Jan 19, 2014 15:47 |  #22

i would go w/ the non vc tamron 17-50mm.


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Jan 19, 2014 15:52 as a reply to  @ bigcountry's post |  #23

Have a mint Sigma 17-50 2.8 for sale if you are interested.


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Jan 19, 2014 16:01 |  #24

Luxx wrote in post #16614435 (external link)
I had the sigma 17-50 on crop and loved it. Sold it when I went ff.

Same. Sigma 17-50 was insanely sharp. Couldn't believe how good it was.


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Jan 19, 2014 16:13 |  #25

EOS5DC wrote in post #16614853 (external link)
There isn't THAT much difference between f/4 and f/2.8. If f/4 isn't going to cut it, f/2.8 will be marginal at best.

well, one ISO stop. How much that counts for somebody is up to them to decide.
If that's the difference of ISO 1600 vs 3200 on a 60D, I'd probably take the 2.8 at 1600. If it's ISO 400 vs 800, it doesn't matter as much. So it depends on the situation too.


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Jan 20, 2014 17:35 |  #26

jt354 wrote in post #16614825 (external link)
Since everyone's saying the 24-105 is too slow even with IS... <cut>

jt354 wrote in post #16614839 (external link)
While the 17-40 and 24-105 are both obviously the same max aperture, I think the latter's IS would help quite a bit in getting clean shots at slow shutter speeds (I have "shaky diabetic hands"). I'm just not sure it would be wide enough, and then there's the issue of subject movement when using a longer exposure. Maybe I'll rent it and see if it works for me.

jt354,

At first I was going to mention that Image Stabilization is nice, but it doesn't help at all with subject movement...but then you said it best yourself.

I've shoot a few weddings myself and I have to tell you, the 24-105L can be used, but you will constantly find yourself wanting a faster aperture. If you're a pro covering weddings (versus being a guest that's taking a few pictures), a fixed aperture of f/2.8 on a zoom is an absolute must, but you'll also find yourself longing for even more speed and I can almost guarantee that you'll move towards faster primes.

If weddings are going to be your focus, a fixed aperture of f/4 won't cut it, even with Image Stabilization.

Hope this helps,
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Jan 20, 2014 21:28 |  #27

I'm an assistant wedding shooter and I started on crop and the last and best lens I've used was the Canon 17-55.


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Jan 21, 2014 08:14 |  #28

jt354 wrote in post #16614825 (external link)
I'll be getting paid, but I'm not going to net $2200 for a while yet. Honestly I would never pay that much for a standard zoom on a crop body (and yes, I've used the 24-70 before.) The 24 and 35mm IS lenses look interesting, if a bit expensive. Since everyone's saying the 24-105 is too slow even with IS, I think the 15-85 is probably out of the question for indoor shooting.

Why don't you rent a lens mate?? Rent what you need then send it back. I say do the 24-70 II as well


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