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Jan 22, 2014 14:00 as a reply to  @ post 16627450 |  #151

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Jan 22, 2014 14:14 |  #152

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Just get it right in camera bro. You don't need Photoshop.

I was thinking the same thing... he definitely just contradicted himself...


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Jan 22, 2014 14:19 |  #153

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16627491 (external link)
I was thinking the same thing... he definitely just contradicted himself...


Have you ever actually been a photographer? Do you know anything at all about shooting?

How are you going to get it right in camera shooting landscapes of the Grand Canyon and you want more detail in the shadows? Pump in millions of watts of flashes?

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There are things you can do and things you can do. Getting your exposure, composition and white balance are things that are fairly easy to do in camera.

It isn't realistic or even possible to do somethings in camera that you can do in post. Go read Ansel Adams' books. Only an idiot would think that is at all a contradiction.


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Jan 22, 2014 14:22 |  #154

Thomas Campbell wrote in post #16627506 (external link)
Have you ever actually been a photographer? Do you know anything at all about shooting?

How are you going to get it right in camera shooting landscapes of the Grand Canyon and you want more detail in the shadows? Pump in millions of watts of flashes?

:rolleyes:


There are things you can do and things you can do. Getting your exposure, composition and white balance are things that are fairly easy to do in camera.

It isn't realistic or even possible to do somethings in camera that you can do in post. Go read Ansel Adams' books. Only an idiot would think that is at all a contradiction.

Only an idiot would think it's just as good pulling shadows from a JPEG as from a RAW file, which is what you implied you do with your last post.

Also, I love how you claim skelby was unprofessional or rude in his post when you're the biggest D in this thread.


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Jan 22, 2014 14:26 |  #155

Haha, you getting upset Tommy.




  
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Jan 22, 2014 14:35 |  #156

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Sorry, I don't mess around with consumer cameras often.

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Jan 22, 2014 14:35 |  #157

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16627508 (external link)
Only an idiot would think it's just as good pulling shadows from a JPEG as from a RAW file, which is what you implied you do with your last post.

Also, I love how you claim skelby was unprofessional or rude in his post when you're the biggest D in this thread.

I agree. I have been lurking because that is what I do. The award for big D is well earned by that guy.


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Jan 22, 2014 14:39 |  #158

Character assassinations, petty jealousies, ad hominem attacks, this thread has it all.... not that POTN is populated by a bunch of saints, but somehow I expected better. Maybe naive on my part.....


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Jan 22, 2014 14:50 |  #159

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16627508 (external link)
Only an idiot would think it's just as good pulling shadows from a JPEG as from a RAW file, which is what you implied you do with your last post.

Also, I love how you claim skelby was unprofessional or rude in his post when you're the biggest D in this thread.

I never said anything of the sort about pulling shadows from a JPEG vs RAW. If you feel I implied that, it goes back to your lack of reading comprehension. Go back and reread.

I have talked about the superior ability of pulling shadows out of a D800 file vs pulling shadows from a 5D3 file and posted this link that shows it for you: http://www.fredmiranda​.com …dex_controlled-tests.html (external link)

Do you at least see the irony in calling me rude by calling me names? No, not at all hypocritical. :rolleyes:


So going back to you saying I contradicted myself for saying I get white balance correct in camera, but dodge and burn when necessary, how exactly would you brighten the shadows under a helmet of a football player in camera? Reflectors? Ring light?

The truth is, you don't have anything substantial to talk about that would add to the conversation, so you have resorted to just attacking me personally when I was discussing something factual. Then you called me names. Boo hoo. :rolleyes:


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Jan 22, 2014 14:50 |  #160

Thomas Campbell wrote in post #16627506 (external link)
How are you going to get it right in camera shooting landscapes of the Grand Canyon and you want more detail in the shadows? Pump in millions of watts of flashes?

:rolleyes:


There are things you can do and things you can do. Getting your exposure, composition and white balance are things that are fairly easy to do in camera.

It isn't realistic or even possible to do somethings in camera that you can do in post. Go read Ansel Adams' books. Only an idiot would think that is at all a contradiction.

grand canyon, you can use bracketed shots and blend/hdr. You can also do the filter route and clean up non horizon elements as well. I havent even shot the grand canyon, but I imagine it's fairly easy to shoot still rocks ;)


"get it right in camera" is nice and all, but end result matters more. If there's a tough situation, then take the time to make it right, even if it takes filters or multiple shots.


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Jan 22, 2014 14:57 |  #161

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grand canyon, you can use bracketed shots and blend/hdr. You can also do the filter route and clean up non horizon elements as well. I havent even shot the grand canyon, but I imagine it's fairly easy to shoot still rocks ;)


"get it right in camera" is nice and all, but end result matters more. If there's a tough situation, then take the time to make it right, even if it takes filters or multiple shots.

I agree, but a bracketed shot would also look better if you blended the brackets in post rather than in camera, thereby giving you more control over the final product, correct?

I am 100% on board for multiple exposures, filters, NDs, etc but every tool doesn't always work in every situation. And when you use multiple exposures, you are probably going to work on them in post.

You can get as much as possible correct in camera, but it is impossible to get everything correct in every situation, which is why people have done extensive post processing for generations.

All that said, my get it right in camera was about the ergonomics of Nikon vs Canon. And since I do try to nail my exposure and WB in camera, it is very handy to be able to change the Kelvin WB without going into any menus, which I can do with Nikon but couldn't do with Canon. The addition of the Q menu on the 7D/5D3/1DX makes this much easier, but it is still one more step. It was a much more painful process on the 5D2.


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Jan 22, 2014 15:03 |  #162

El Pedro wrote in post #16627450 (external link)
Just get it right in camera bro. You don't need Photoshop.

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Jan 22, 2014 15:04 |  #163

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Character assassinations, petty jealousies, ad hominem attacks, this thread has it all.... not that POTN is populated by a bunch of saints, but somehow I expected better. Maybe naive on my part.....

I stopped posting here for a while because it was really bad... it's been great the past year or so, though. Hopefully we get back to that. :)


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Jan 22, 2014 15:47 |  #164

Yes, the D800 will have more dynamic range than the 5DIII, but the Canon blows the Nikon out of the water when it comes to shooting at very high ISO"s. Not every camera everything well. Pick the one that does what you need the most the best.


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Jan 22, 2014 16:06 |  #165

Thomas Campbell wrote in post #16627576 (external link)
I agree, but a bracketed shot would also look better if you blended the brackets in post rather than in camera, thereby giving you more control over the final product, correct?

I am 100% on board for multiple exposures, filters, NDs, etc but every tool doesn't always work in every situation. And when you use multiple exposures, you are probably going to work on them in post.

You can get as much as possible correct in camera, but it is impossible to get everything correct in every situation, which is why people have done extensive post processing for generations.

All that said, my get it right in camera was about the ergonomics of Nikon vs Canon. And since I do try to nail my exposure and WB in camera, it is very handy to be able to change the Kelvin WB without going into any menus, which I can do with Nikon but couldn't do with Canon. The addition of the Q menu on the 7D/5D3/1DX makes this much easier, but it is still one more step. It was a much more painful process on the 5D2.

Not sure how the Nikon works, but I have my WB assigned to the set button. Can't get much easier than that.




  
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