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Jan 23, 2014 11:00 |  #2671

I have an old Mongoose gimbal that works well with the 100-400 + tc, not sure if the Tammy will be to big & heavy for it.

But, in looking at the Sidekick and the other two, I think I would go with one of those that give some vertical adjustment (regardless of the cost).


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Jan 23, 2014 11:08 |  #2672

Kickflipkid687 wrote in post #16629797 (external link)
Yeah, this one looks decent,

http://www.amazon.com …d-Telephoto/dp/B00BMAE4X​6 (external link)

This looks better quality maybe,

http://www.amazon.com …r=1-1&keywords=opteka+GH1 (external link)

The 2nd Link has very good video review, the link is on amazon or youtube.

These 2 I believe are identical. And it is the Beike I think is the original than opteka sell it for higher price :)


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Jan 23, 2014 11:09 |  #2673

amyandmark3 wrote in post #16629815 (external link)
If you have a 'arca-swiss' ballhead, the Sidekick is a good solution. If not, that Opteka looks decent. The only "problem" with a gimbal is that you have to remove your ballhead from your tripod to install the gimbal, and vice versa. If you will use your tripod with the gimbal like 95% of the time (or more), and rarely switch from gimbal to ballhead, that's obviously less of an issue and the gimbal becomes more appealing.

Yup. I hardly ever use my ball head since I got the gimbal head. I got a long plate so I can get a reasonable balance even when the lens I'm using doesn't have a tripod foot, by sliding the foot back in the clamp.


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Jan 23, 2014 11:11 |  #2674

jbrackjr wrote in post #16629843 (external link)
I have an old Mongoose gimbal that works well with the 100-400 + tc, not sure if the Tammy will be to big & heavy for it.

But, in looking at the Sidekick and the other two, I think I would go with one of those that give some vertical adjustment (regardless of the cost).

The sidekick shouldn't really need a vertical adjustment for balance since you're already attaching the center of the lens at the pivot point of the head. Forward and back should be about all you need.


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Jan 23, 2014 11:27 |  #2675

archer1960 wrote in post #16629867 (external link)
The sidekick shouldn't really need a vertical adjustment for balance since you're already attaching the center of the lens at the pivot point of the head. Forward and back should be about all you need.

I just ordered one of these Acratech GV 2's http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …99678&Q=&is=REG​&A=details (external link)

I don't shoot BIF's that often, but want to be able to use a combo ball head and gimbal head. It's also very light weight.

So far, I've bought a new monopod head, this ball head, and BI&W 95mm UV filter as "accessories" to the Tammy. Next will be upgrading from 60D to 70D but I will; NOT pay 1200.00 for body only.....hoping $$ comes back down. So while this lens is "cheap", lol, total "investment" to be able to shoot 4lb 600mm, slow lens is not.




  
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Jan 23, 2014 11:37 |  #2676

Too bad I have the Acratech ultimate ballhead but can not be use as gimbal not so ultimate after all :). Maybe I will just sell it on ebay or CL.


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Jan 23, 2014 11:45 |  #2677

Peter, that's actually the head I had when I used the Sidekick. The combo worked very well with my 7D / BigmOs setup.


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Jan 23, 2014 11:48 |  #2678

archer1960 wrote in post #16629867 (external link)
The sidekick shouldn't really need a vertical adjustment for balance since you're already attaching the center of the lens at the pivot point of the head. Forward and back should be about all you need.

Agreed to a point. For those with 1D bodies and / or tall flash rigs will appreciate some vertical adjustment to improve the balance.


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Jan 23, 2014 11:51 |  #2679

Yeah, not sure how I'd like it or not. But it seems like it would be more solid.

I do find myself just rotating my tripod/"monopod" around to where I want, then locking the ball down, or having higher fiction to keep it more sturdy during shooting. Also I had the lens accidentally flop down rapidly with my ballhead twice, scared me. Luckily the lens didnt hit anything.


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Jan 23, 2014 11:54 |  #2680

amyandmark3 wrote in post #16629962 (external link)
Peter, that's actually the head I had when I used the Sidekick. The combo worked very well with my 7D / BigmOs setup.

Really? Here is the link of what I have. That is great if that is the case.

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …LLHEAD_w_LEVER_​CLAMP.html (external link)

Maybe I can get rid of my Opteka GH1 and buy the sidekick instead.

Edit: I think what I have is this. :(

http://www.acratech.ne​t …-ballhead-qr-with-detent/ (external link)


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Jan 23, 2014 12:09 |  #2681

Yes, that's the one. CLICK HERE (external link) to see how you'd set up a Sidekick on any arca-swiss compatible head. You attach it as shown on that site and just loosen the "panning" knob so that you can pan side to side (using your ballhead's panning feature) and can also pivot up and down (using the Sidekick) at the same time.

However, I missed the part where you already have the Opteka. If you like that, it might be worth keeping. The Sidekick/ballhead combo should work pretty similarly. Not sure of the quality difference, I've never owned a true gimbal style mount, I've only had the Sidekick/ballhead combo.

I don't have a Sidekick right now (gave up birding for the last couple of years), so I was planning to get something like the Opteka if I buy the Tamron and am not happy with hand-holding and monopod attachment. I'd prefer to NOT buy a gimbal/sidekick because, when I had one, I rarely used it due to the inconvenience factor. I did, however, heavily use the Sidekick for a couple of trips to shoot Bald Eagles at LD14 in Iowa where it helped immensely. Of course, I was able to set up my tripod within 25 yards of my car since the BE's fly so closely to that location, haha!


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Jan 23, 2014 12:16 |  #2682

amyandmark3 wrote in post #16630025 (external link)
Yes, that's the one. CLICK HERE (external link) to see how you'd set up a Sidekick on any arca-swiss compatible head. You attach it as shown on that site and just loosen the "panning" knob so that you can pan side to side (using your ballhead's panning feature) and can also pivot up and down (using the Sidekick) at the same time.

However, I missed the part where you already have the Opteka. If you like that, it might be worth keeping. The Sidekick/ballhead combo should work pretty similarly. Not sure of the quality difference, I've never owned a true gimbal style mount, I've only had the Sidekick/ballhead combo.

I don't have a Sidekick right now (gave up birding for the last couple of years), so I was planning to get something like the Opteka if I buy the Tamron and am not happy with hand-holding and monopod attachment. I'd prefer to NOT buy a gimbal/sidekick because, when I had one, I rarely used it due to the inconvenience factor. I did, however, heavily use the Sidekick for a couple of trips to shoot Bald Eagles at LD14 in Iowa where it helped immensely. Of course, I was able to set up my tripod within 25 yards of my car since the BE's fly so closely to that location, haha!

Awesome thank you for the link I would love to try that. I will be in the lookout of the sidekick from now on (used one) just to try it. I heard about sidekick but I never thought I can use it with my Acratech UB. For the meantime I will keep my opteka GH1.

Thanks I appreciate it.


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Jan 23, 2014 12:34 |  #2683

gabebalazs wrote in post #16629426 (external link)
Without tripod collar: 4 lbs 0.7 OZ (1834g)

With tripod collar: 4 lbs 10.3 OZ (2018g)

274g lighter w/o collar

(stole my wife's kitchen scale, but shhh!! :) )

Fabulous! Thanks so much (and i'm sure any baking will be none the worse for it)

It does make me wonder whether there might be merit in seeking out a third party collar that's lighter or whether it would compromise the stability and security of the setup...




  
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Jan 23, 2014 12:44 |  #2684

Peter2516 wrote in post #16630044 (external link)
Thanks I appreciate it.

Sure thing. As I mentioned, you may end up liking a gimbal style, such as your Opteka, better than the Sidekick style. Probably just a personal preference thing. The Sidekicks don't come up for sale very often. When you decide you want to buy one, it may be faster to post a WTB ad and see if someone will give you a good deal.


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Jan 23, 2014 12:45 |  #2685

Really, I don't think this lens/tripod collar feels THAT heavy. But, it depends on your age/strength too I guess.

But I highly recommend getting/use a black rapid type strap to carry it with, then use a Tripod/Monopod for best results, as hand holding it can get shaky/heavy/might not be as sharp as a tripod. But you can hold it for a bit if you want.


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