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Jan 23, 2014 14:18 |  #211

jwcdds wrote in post #16630296 (external link)
But see... in your example above... if you had shot it with a D800, not only will you get superb shadow recovery, you'd instantaneously have a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit model pop out. Try as you may, that won't happen when shooting and doing shadow recovery with a Canon. ;)

No, but if you're shooting Canon a beautiful naked Mermaid will pop out  :p


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Jan 23, 2014 14:22 |  #212

El Pedro wrote in post #16630284 (external link)
Exactly.

All I want from Canon is to make a sensor to at least rival the D800/E. What's wrong with that? I have no problem shooting/using both camps bcoz' I can. :)




  
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Jan 23, 2014 14:26 |  #213

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All I want from Canon is to make a sensor to at least rival the D800/E. What's wrong with that? I have no problem shooting/using both camps bcoz' I can. :)

Aint nothing wrong with that, IMO. I'm still waiting on Canon to step up to that plate.


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Jan 23, 2014 14:43 |  #214

jwcdds wrote in post #16630422 (external link)
Aint nothing wrong with that, IMO. I'm still waiting on Canon to step up to that plate.

If the shoe was on the other foot, I would salute Canon for doing so. But at this time Canon continues to sit on their rumps! As you can see, the ones who want DR are temporarily exiling to Sony's A7/A7r. Doesn't that give anyone a clue? :confused:




  
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Jan 23, 2014 15:14 |  #215
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Charlie wrote in post #16630213 (external link)
you're really over generalizing the shadow recovery aspect.

here's an actual scenario where I used tons of shadow recovery on a 6D. Not too happy about the shot because I used a $20 10 stop filter or vibrations from waves that really butchered IQ, but as far as shadow recovery, the 6D did a good job. shadows +100, white's +100, highlights -100.

I guess me using the term ETTR might mot be 100% correct....

Anyway yes you pushed the shadows in your shot. You recovered the information. The difference lies within the quality of those shadows.

If you look at my example the 100% crop image almost has zero noise, now what about in your shot? Can you post a 100% crop?

Here's another example, shot with my EOS M -

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Jan 23, 2014 15:44 |  #216

given Sydney's crap weather the past couple of weeks, I would have exposed that one brighter in camera personally. no one would really care about details in our current dreary grey skies, so just blew it out and expose for the desired subject matter. you should be able to pull back in post for the towers in the background.

your point regarding the shadow noise of the M though is still valid though as it's a lot easier to critique exposure decisions after the fact without knowing the other constraints you might have had in getting the shot.


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Jan 23, 2014 15:56 |  #217

To further stir the pot so to speak, I think if one wants to eliminate the noise and get better shadow recovery they need to use a Mac as we all know that PC's cannot handle the task at hand. Lol.




  
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Jan 23, 2014 16:00 |  #218

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To further stir the pot so to speak, I think if one wants to eliminate the noise and get better shadow recovery they need to use a Mac as we all know that PC's cannot handle the task at hand. Lol.

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Jan 23, 2014 16:04 |  #219
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smythie wrote in post #16630590 (external link)
given Sydney's crap weather the past couple of weeks, I would have exposed that one brighter in camera personally. no one would really care about details in our current dreary grey skies, so just blew it out and expose for the desired subject matter. you should be able to pull back in post for the towers in the background.

your point regarding the shadow noise of the M though is still valid though as it's a lot easier to critique exposure decisions after the fact without knowing the other constraints you might have had in getting the shot.

Firstly it was a casual snap and wasn't meant to be a winning shot.

Secondly I agree that the original image is a tad dark. Your suggestion also explained why I used the term ETTR before, overexposing the highlight more to compensate the underexpose foreground.

But the fact remains, camera with a better sensor would have handled this shot with ease, minus those ugly shadow colour and luminous noise and banding.


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Jan 23, 2014 16:09 |  #220

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Jan 23, 2014 16:41 |  #221

kin2son wrote in post #16630519 (external link)
I guess me using the term ETTR might mot be 100% correct....

Anyway yes you pushed the shadows in your shot. You recovered the information. The difference lies within the quality of those shadows.

If you look at my example the 100% crop image almost has zero noise, now what about in your shot? Can you post a 100% crop?

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you can see splotching of the color, but it's not going to make or break the shot. The slight image shake broke the shot....

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Jan 23, 2014 17:01 |  #222

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I agree with you 100% on DR the only issue is 99% of folks on POTN can't afford the gear you have (I assume your a working professional) One to two bodys is the norm. If I had 5k to spend now I would get an A7r but would also want to get 5D3 with magic lantern for quicker shooting. If I had only one camera it would be the 5D3 with magic lantern since it could shoot a variety of things an A7r or D800 would miss. If you could only have one or two body's from your gear which would you pick?

If I had to pick two DSLR bodies it would my D4 and D800E. They compliment each other for DR and speed.




  
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Jan 23, 2014 17:03 |  #223

jdizzle wrote in post #16630413 (external link)
All I want from Canon is to make a sensor to at least rival the D800/E. What's wrong with that? I have no problem shooting/using both camps bcoz' I can. :)

For me it would be to rival shadow recovery, but not the amount of pixels.


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Jan 23, 2014 17:10 |  #224

davidc502 wrote in post #16630795 (external link)
For me it would be to rival shadow recovery, but not the amount of pixels.

I agree. I don't need a ton of pixels tbh. Editing 36 MPs is a waste to shoot a wedding/event. I would stop at 24 MPs as my cut off. :)




  
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Jan 23, 2014 17:41 |  #225

jdizzle wrote in post #16630815 (external link)
I agree. I don't need a ton of pixels tbh. Editing 36 MPs is a waste to shoot a wedding/event. I would stop at 24 MPs as my cut off. :)

Not that it really matters that much, but 35mega-pixels (on 35mm digital) brings the estimated diffraction down to F/9.3 in contrast to my 5d2 which is F/11.8.

So, I guess there are advantages and disadvantages to either having the extra pixels or not.


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