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Jan 25, 2014 12:12 |  #1

Was shooting basketball last night and overheard a conversation by the togs beside me. Older tog to younger tog "I can shoot sports at a lower shutter speed with my full frame camera as the larger sensor does not show as much movement as your crop sensor" Hmm, haven't heard this before, pretty sure it is BS. Comments?


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Jan 25, 2014 12:23 |  #2

From my experience, it is bs. I shot a high school basketball game last week using my 6D with slower (around 1/320 sec then 1/640 sec) and the iq difference was huge. 1/320 was pure crap even at 1/500 I had many keepers.


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Jan 25, 2014 20:07 |  #3

I shoot with a 5D mkIII, for basketball I will not go below 1/500. and that's at an ISO of 10,000. Anything below 1/500 is going to be very poor at the HS level.


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Jan 25, 2014 20:25 as a reply to  @ Mike R's post |  #4

^^^^wow for night street hockey i set my camera up to f1.8, 1/500 and iso 1600... 3200 is useless for me on my 85mm.... wow would love 10k iso!!!!!!!!

even at 500 there is motion blur at times when the kid has a wicked slapshot.... sounds backwards to me... he should be able tp shoot faster at higher iso.


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Jan 25, 2014 20:26 |  #5

I still use the 1/1mm rule with my crop bodies. No problem here.


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Jan 25, 2014 20:34 |  #6

maverick75 wrote in post #16636869 (external link)
I still use the 1/1mm rule with my crop bodies. No problem here.

whats that rule? if 85mm lens... close to 1/85 for speed?


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Jan 25, 2014 20:58 |  #7

TeleFragger wrote in post #16636867 (external link)
^^^^wow for night street hockey i set my camera up to f1.8, 1/500 and iso 1600... 3200 is useless for me on my 85mm.... wow would love 10k iso!!!!!!!!

even at 500 there is motion blur at times when the kid has a wicked slapshot.... sounds backwards to me... he should be able tp shoot faster at higher iso.

I won't go above an ISO of 10K, so at times I have to drop to 1/500. I'd rather shoot faster.


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Jan 25, 2014 21:00 |  #8

maverick75 wrote in post #16636869 (external link)
I still use the 1/1mm rule with my crop bodies. No problem here.

Good article in the recent issue of Outdoor Photographer about sharpness, with side by side examples and a chart of the rule for crop bodies


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Jan 25, 2014 21:07 |  #9

TeleFragger wrote in post #16636879 (external link)
whats that rule? if 85mm lens... close to 1/85 for speed?

Yeah that's the rule, for your minimum to minimize blur due to camera shake. For stopping fast motion you're obviously going to want more than 1/85.


Also that rule gets broken with IS, but that's only for static objects anyways.

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Good article in the recent issue of Outdoor Photographer about sharpness, with side by side examples and a chart of the rule for crop bodies

I don't really care about those articles, if it looks good on my screen and prints it's fine.


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Jan 25, 2014 21:31 |  #10

I've been shooting NCAA D-1 basketball with the 6D, 70-200 f/4 at ISO 3200, f/4, and 1/500 and get razor sharp shots even with a team that plays an exceptionally up-tempo, fast paced game.


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Jan 26, 2014 00:10 |  #11

Below 1/640 of a second my images just aren't sharp enough. Only under terrible lighting do I go below 1/640




  
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Jan 26, 2014 01:38 |  #12

What he OP stated has pretty much no merit whatsoever. I would not even ask that dude for restaurant recommendations.
As far as rules or guides for minimum shutter speed while hand-holding, those rules have nothing to do with stopping subject movement without motion blur. There are plenty of guides on the web for stopping motion of everything from walking to race cars.


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Jan 27, 2014 10:48 |  #13

Shutter speed is shutter speed regardless of full frame or crop. BS...


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Jan 27, 2014 10:53 |  #14

xchangx wrote in post #16641109 (external link)
Shutter speed is shutter speed regardless of full frame or crop. BS...

Absolutely - I'm one of those older 'togs and I think the statement is bs also.

Now this is a stretch....perhaps what he meant was that with a FF vs a crop, on the subject of field of few, further objects will appear to be "less blurred." Well, yeah since they are at a greater distance until you crop or zoom in and then you see it is still.........BLURRED!

I agree - I wouldn't take a restaurant recommendation from him either :lol:


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Jan 27, 2014 11:45 |  #15

Thanks for all of the replys, pretty much as I expected.


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