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Feb 05, 2014 10:10 |  #16

OK lets lets throw in the curveball...

Sell the 6D and go back to crop.
You then get all the range and aperture you used to have, with the lenses you clearly liked.
FF is not the be-all-an-end-all.


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Feb 05, 2014 11:57 |  #17

PH68 wrote in post #16665384 (external link)
OK lets lets throw in the curveball...

Sell the 6D and go back to crop.
You then get all the range and aperture you used to have, with the lenses you clearly liked.
FF is not the be-all-an-end-all.

Personally, I have not missed my old EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS or EF-S 10-22 even once since selling them, and I kept my 7D crop camera as a 2nd body for wildlife shooting.


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Feb 05, 2014 12:52 |  #18

PH68 wrote in post #16665384 (external link)
OK lets lets throw in the curveball...

Sell the 6D and go back to crop.
You then get all the range and aperture you used to have, with the lenses you clearly liked.
FF is not the be-all-an-end-all.

Heh, totally an option I've considered seeing how I still have my 7D and my old EFS lenses.
The problem is that I just was not happy with the amount of noise I was getting anymore when pushing higher ISOs, especially when you put them in a side-by-side comparison now. How could I go back after seeing the results from the 6D and the 70-200 2.8 and 24-70 2.8, or even my 50 1.4? True, the 7D kit is more "travel friendly" but I want to see what sort of results I can get with the 6D (lighter but much heavier lenses).

I just came to take for granted the 160mm and 400mm equivalent reach I got from my lenses on a crop body.

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Generally, if I am shooting something specific where I want a fast aperture, the difference between f/4 and f/2.8 is not enough anyway, and I will use a faster prime instead. So, having a kit with slower zoom lenses supplemented with fast primes works well for me.

This is what pushes me in the direction of the 24-105. With the cleaner ISOs of the 6D and the smaller slice of DOF from FF, would I even notice the lack of an f-stop coming from the 7D even though I like to shoot low light? I would pack one of my primes along anyway (either the 50 1.4 or 100 2).

Or if I bring a 24-70 2.8 and the 100 2 prime, am I pretty much covered for the same 24-105 range, just not sure how much lens switching I'd be doing!

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Feb 05, 2014 13:20 |  #19

+1 for the Tamron 24-70. Awesome lens. I think the aperture is more valuable for the range, though of course it depends on what you like to shoot, because
a) You can always get the reach by cropping, the 6D has plenty of mega pix.
b) The narrow aperture is great for isolating the subject, as a "tourist", you don't have a lot of control of your backgrounds often.
c) The narrow aperture is great for evening street shots.
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Feb 05, 2014 13:30 |  #20

here's a suggestion from the peanut gallery. nothing against L-lenses (I have 4 in my kit, at the moment), but not all nice lenses are L-lenses. also, not all nice lenses are critically acclaimed. sometimes it's amazing what one discovers making up one's own mind.

case in point: the 28-135mm f3.5-5.6 IS USM. I love this lens. I've used it on both crop (prior to getting the 17-55mm) and full-frame (where it normally resides).

sadly, it's simply slower than the 17-55mm EF-S - so bump up the ISO on that 6D - it works! personally, I'd keep the 7D to have this (17-55mm) and the 10-22mm uwa lenses. they are so sweet. who says you only get 1 camera? hint, they're wrong.

meanwhile, back to the 28-135mm. a frequent criticism, other than speed, is its reputation for lens creep. Guess I lucky as my lens performs flawlessly, and - knock wood - I've never had the zoom voluntarily extend hanging on a strap (where it's oft' to be found).

this little zoom fits, is easy to operate, feels good, and - while I'm not a pixel peeper - the images have been very acceptable - at the very least. in it's "quasi-macro" range, this lens has an MFD of 1.6'. if I am limited to a single, all-purpose lens on my FF 5D, I don't hesitate to grab this lens. and btw, used copies can be found at stupid-cheap prices.

my copy is probably headed to France this summer with my wife. maybe with a 14mm MF uwa. I may, or may not, get invited. :-)




  
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Feb 05, 2014 14:09 |  #21

I have had the 17-40 | 24-70 and 70-200

The 17-40L is by FAR the best travel lens for me. It is long enough to do street photography and it is wide enough to get all the landscapes. In my opinion the 24-70 is not wide enough to be a nice travellens.

The 17-40L is very light as well. Combine the 17-40L with a 85mm prime and you are set. But thats me.


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Feb 05, 2014 14:28 |  #22

Bonbridge wrote in post #16665932 (external link)
I have had the 17-40 | 24-70 and 70-200

The 17-40L is by FAR the best travel lens for me. It is long enough to do street photography and it is wide enough to get all the landscapes. In my opinion the 24-70 is not wide enough to be a nice travellens.

The 17-40L is very light as well. Combine the 17-40L with a 85mm prime and you are set. But thats me.

I agree. Recently purchased 17-40 f4 - was rather an impulsive decision, I thought it would be a novelty lens, but after shooting with it, I realized it's quite a useful zoom range. You can go really wide, but 40mm is also tight enough for the most things.

I think I'll be using it as a walk around lens now, instead of 24-105mm.

I highly recommend 17-40. It's also one of the cheapest L lenses, great value.


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Feb 05, 2014 15:24 as a reply to  @ Anthon's post |  #23

unfortunately I'm not much of a wide shooter, preferring telephoto it seems. My 10-22 saw very little use on my 7D so it's going to find a better home real soon.

Curious about travel size, I did run some numbers and found that the 7d+17-55 2.8 weighs in at 55.1 oz, and the 6d+Tamron 24-70 VC is a similar 55.5 oz. A 6d+24-105 is about a quarter pound lighter at 50.1 oz.

Costs are about $1000 Tamron 24-70 new + new 82mm CP vs $680 24-105 new and a lot of leftover cash for Swiss chocolate.




  
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Feb 05, 2014 16:14 |  #24
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Go get the Tamron.


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Feb 05, 2014 19:31 |  #25

I vote 24-70 F4 macro for travel, if you never need close up, get tamron 24-70 f2.8 VC or 24-105 f4.


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Feb 05, 2014 22:40 |  #26

circles_of_confusion wrote in post #16665749 (external link)
This is what pushes me in the direction of the 24-105. With the cleaner ISOs of the 6D and the smaller slice of DOF from FF, would I even notice the lack of an f-stop coming from the 7D even though I like to shoot low light?

Nope, you won't notice it.

circles_of_confusion wrote in post #16665749 (external link)
Or if I bring a 24-70 2.8 and the 100 2 prime, am I pretty much covered for the same 24-105 range, just not sure how much lens switching I'd be doing!

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You said you like telephoto, so I'd guess a lot of switching.


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Feb 06, 2014 08:20 |  #27

circles_of_confusion wrote in post #16665749 (external link)
This is what pushes me in the direction of the 24-105. With the cleaner ISOs of the 6D and the smaller slice of DOF from FF, would I even notice the lack of an f-stop coming from the 7D even though I like to shoot low light? I would pack one of my primes along anyway (either the 50 1.4 or 100 2).

Or if I bring a 24-70 2.8 and the 100 2 prime, am I pretty much covered for the same 24-105 range, just not sure how much lens switching I'd be doing!

Trip will be covering Northen Italy & Swizterland

If you are packing a 50 f/1.4 prime anyway, I would definitely get the 24-105L. You will find for a lot of your shots you are stopping down anyway, as f/2.8 is going to give you a thinner depth of field than you are used to coming from a crop body. When you need something faster for low light, the 50 f/1.4 is a nice option -- it's small and light to pack. I used to own than lens specifically for that purpose until I purchased the 40mm f/2.8 pancake (my 50L is too big to pack for travel along with my zooms).

While the 24-105L is not my "best" lens, it is my most versatile lens for what I shoot when traveling, so it gets used the most. If we are going to a destination where I would not be shooting wildlife, I could get by with just that lens and the pancake on my 5D3 (although I would probably pack the 17-40L, too).


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Feb 06, 2014 14:41 |  #28

I'm tempted to just get both lenses with the 24-105 as a travel lens but my feeling is one of them will just get left at home most of the time. So I've decided to just rent both lenses this weekend and hopefully come to a satisfactory decision for my needs




  
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Feb 06, 2014 15:17 |  #29

24-105 is a great walk around lens in my opinion, love mine it is always on my 6D.


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Feb 06, 2014 16:03 |  #30

mrrikki wrote in post #16668856 (external link)
24-105 is a great walk around lens in my opinion, love mine it is always on my 6D.

+1 to this. Like I said earlier, the 24 is a great wide focal length and 105 is decent reach for a zoom. If you need more than 105 you'll be getting into telephoto lenses and if you need wider than 24 you will be getting into UWA (ultra wide-angle) lenses.


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