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anyone buy the 85 1.2 II and was sorry?

 
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Feb 07, 2014 04:31 |  #46
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^^^ Sigma 85 is totally capable imo...

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Feb 07, 2014 06:54 |  #47

kin2son - gorgeous kids! You must be a happy and proud parent!
and also great rendering....
you are making my decision harder.... :)

and it is exactly those action shots that you have (the jump and the swinging) which makes me hesitate in regards to the AF of the canon - if it can keep up with that kind of action. I am not even aiming for inside sports or something fast...just my munchkins...

heck - I am sure that whichever I get, I will be happy and will have years of learning and creative opportunity...I just have to decide....and in the end - there seems to be a selection bias in regards to the pics shown....on both sides....


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Feb 07, 2014 07:18 |  #48
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Here's one more with the Sigma 85 just to make your decision harder :p

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Till this day I'm still not 100% sure how I managed to get this shot......

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Feb 07, 2014 07:29 |  #49

ceriltheblade wrote in post #16670229 (external link)
kevindar - see those are the type of pics I would love to say that "i took them" of my own family and kids
and why I am looking forward to the getting a fast 85
but why I wonder how well you could have taken the same moment with the sigma 85 and gotten the same outcome -
i.e. your skill vs the tool.....

but then again - maybe that extra 1/3 stop and rendering indeed is the difference....
I am lucky enough to have the funds for either I choose.... I just want to choose correctly...and not be fooled by brands (in either direction)

Then get the canon...period. there are plenty of people getting action shots of their kids with that lens. Moving kids are tough, no way around it. Just look at my flickr and you will see i have experience with that type shooting! If you have to, shoot in AI Servo and that should help when using super wide apertures and they are on the move.


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Feb 07, 2014 07:56 |  #50

idsurfer wrote in post #16670433 (external link)
Then get the canon...period. there are plenty of people getting action shots of their kids with that lens. Moving kids are tough, no way around it. Just look at my flickr and you will see i have experience with that type shooting! If you have to, shoot in AI Servo and that should help when using super wide apertures and they are on the move.


I'll second that. Both Canon 85's auto focus is legendary. The 85 I owned which was the f/1.8 version could keep up with any action whether it was a small child darting around or an athlete going full throttle in action. The 85L while acquiring focus is a bit slower, yet once locked on has the ability to hold focus like few other lens, especially while holding it's subject in such a narrow dof.

And the image quality is still on par with many other fine lens. And I'll note that I am close to acquiring my own copies of both Canon 85's. One for everyday around the house stuff and the other for my artistic shots.


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Feb 07, 2014 10:12 |  #51

I am sure I could have taken those with a sigma, if it focuses accurately. I am not as hung up in the difference between 1.4 and 1.2 (though 1.2 is nicer of course). I just have not had quite the consistency that I like with some 3rd party lenses. I have both the tamron 24-70 vc, and the canon 24-70II. I love the VC on the tamron, and optically they are very close, however, the AF is so much more reliable on the canon. my sigma 50 1.4, though as reliable as my canon 50 1.4 (sold) still misses focus too frequently.

If you have the funds, its a no brainer. The canon holds its value better, is faster, has better color, and will focus more accurately. This is not a knock in anyway on the sigma, which many argue, based on their needs is a better "value", and for some, the tracking speed may make it even a better lens (though there I would just go for the 1.8, if that is a big issue).
I miss the 1.8 sometimes, when I would just like something smaller to put in my bag, or for traveling, and it is a fantastic lens also.

Decisions, decision. Its good to have options and money I guess.


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Feb 07, 2014 10:31 |  #52

ceriltheblade wrote in post #16670229 (external link)
kevindar - see those are the type of pics I would love to say that "i took them" of my own family and kids
and why I am looking forward to the getting a fast 85
but why I wonder how well you could have taken the same moment with the sigma 85 and gotten the same outcome -
i.e. your skill vs the tool.....

but then again - maybe that extra 1/3 stop and rendering indeed is the difference....
I am lucky enough to have the funds for either I choose.... I just want to choose correctly...and not be fooled by brands (in either direction)

if you have funds for it, I'de get some sort of FF camera at bare minimum first. No way you can replicate kinson's or kevindar's photos without that minor detail.

just to push you a little closer

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Feb 07, 2014 10:58 |  #53

kin2son wrote in post #16670423 (external link)
Here's one more with the Sigma 85 just to make your decision harder :p

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Till this day I'm still not 100% sure how I managed to get this shot......

that is indeed an amazing shot!! Great capture!

idsurfer wrote in post #16670433 (external link)
Then get the canon...period. there are plenty of people getting action shots of their kids with that lens. Moving kids are tough, no way around it. Just look at my flickr and you will see i have experience with that type shooting! If you have to, shoot in AI Servo and that should help when using super wide apertures and they are on the move.

thanks for this. at least for the AF reproducibility, there is no debate about the Canon. In the right hands though, it seems that the Sigma is a very capable lens. I wonder how the 85A will do. It seems that the 35A and the 18-35 do not have the problematic AF reproducibility.

Thorrulz wrote in post #16670487 (external link)
I'll second that. Both Canon 85's auto focus is legendary. The 85 I owned which was the f/1.8 version could keep up with any action whether it was a small child darting around or an athlete going full throttle in action. The 85L while acquiring focus is a bit slower, yet once locked on has the ability to hold focus like few other lens, especially while holding it's subject in such a narrow dof.

And the image quality is still on par with many other fine lens. And I'll note that I am close to acquiring my own copies of both Canon 85's. One for everyday around the house stuff and the other for my artistic shots.

As above. I don't think that anyone would attempt to disparrage the canon on basis of its sharpness or its quality...just the price and the Af speed - I have seen. But I am indeed leaning in the canon's direction right now.

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I am sure I could have taken those with a sigma, if it focuses accurately. I am not as hung up in the difference between 1.4 and 1.2 (though 1.2 is nicer of course). I just have not had quite the consistency that I like with some 3rd party lenses. I have both the tamron 24-70 vc, and the canon 24-70II. I love the VC on the tamron, and optically they are very close, however, the AF is so much more reliable on the canon. my sigma 50 1.4, though as reliable as my canon 50 1.4 (sold) still misses focus too frequently.

If you have the funds, its a no brainer. The canon holds its value better, is faster, has better color, and will focus more accurately. This is not a knock in anyway on the sigma, which many argue, based on their needs is a better "value", and for some, the tracking speed may make it even a better lens (though there I would just go for the 1.8, if that is a big issue).
I miss the 1.8 sometimes, when I would just like something smaller to put in my bag, or for traveling, and it is a fantastic lens also.

Decisions, decision. Its good to have options and money I guess.

LOL. Thnaks for this. I guess that options are indeed good. but I am sure there is going to be a special learning curve for the lens too.... :)

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Are you trying to pour salt on my wounds?! :) Both an FF as well as the canon! Whew - what WOULD the missus say? :) One thing at a time!!! :) or maybe....


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Feb 07, 2014 11:22 |  #54

I could never regret the 85L II. Everytime I use it it makes me fall in love with it all over again...every single damn time. It's sharp at f/1.2 and the bokeh is too insane for me!! I could never sell this bad boy!

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Feb 07, 2014 12:11 |  #55

Vixen89 wrote in post #16670990 (external link)
I could never regret the 85L II. Everytime I use it it makes me fall in love with it all over again...every single damn time. It's sharp at f/1.2 and the bokeh is too insane for me!! I could never sell this bad boy!

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Nice shots, but you can get the exact same result with less CA with the Sigma 85 tho.




  
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Feb 07, 2014 12:16 |  #56

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Nice shots, but you can get the exact same result with less CA with the Sigma 85 tho.

Definitely. I won't deny that with Canon's 85mm (1.8 and 1.2). I had a Sigma 85 1.4 though before I purchased the 85L II.


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Feb 07, 2014 12:22 |  #57

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The 85L II is one of the finest lenses ever made by Canon.

I am its biggest fan, however I will admit that I have lost shots because of the slow responsiveness of its AF, particularly in low light.

When it nails though, it nails.

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Feb 07, 2014 12:43 |  #58

Both sigma and 85L are nice. I am looking forward to 135mm f1.8 OS.:)

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Feb 11, 2014 03:03 |  #59

Yes, after using the 85L ii for 1 weeks, I was really sorry not to buy it sooner.
Solution for shooting in low light, using the 50L instead.
For me the 85L is King of the day and the 50L is Queen of the night.


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Feb 11, 2014 05:01 |  #60

Vixen89 wrote in post #16671184 (external link)
Definitely. I won't deny that with Canon's 85mm (1.8 and 1.2). I had a Sigma 85 1.4 though before I purchased the 85L II.

Vixen - so what made you change from the 85 1.4 to the 85 1.2?

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Yes, after using the 85L ii for 1 weeks, I was really sorry not to buy it sooner.
Solution for shooting in low light, using the 50L instead.
For me the 85L is King of the day and the 50L is Queen of the night.

can you explain this? Is there a "problem" with it at night?


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