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Thread started 14 Feb 2014 (Friday) 18:53
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Try your hand at this ISO 12800 dng.

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Feb 14, 2014 18:53 |  #1

I'm pretty pleased with this one as I've shot and edited it, though I'm always looking to get better.

With the amount of shows that I shoot at high ISO, one might think I would be more skilled at noise reduction. Nope! I usually rely on Lightroom's defaults, sometimes increasing them just a little bit. So, show me what you do with this one, and tell me how and why. Ideally in Lightroom/ACR, but if you can get better results in another program, tell me.

Apologies to those few of you who can't open a DNG - I've already converted it upon import.

Disclaimer: The close in-camera crop is because an audience member was holding a cell phone right up underneath the edge of the frame. In retrospect, I should have shot wider and just cloned it out.

Link to DNG:
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Feb 14, 2014 20:19 |  #2

Honestly, I like your edit just fine, but what the hey :)

Here's my quick five-minute attempt!

I didn't quite nail the skin tone, but here's the somewhat relevant settings for noise/sharpening (using LR5):

Sharpening:
Amount: 90
Radius: 1.8
Detail: 32
Masking: 29

Noise Reduction:
Luminance: 60
Detail: 50
Contrast: 0
Color: 25
Detail: 50
Smoothness: 50

In general, I like a bit of noise (like in your edit) as it reminds me of film grit.

But if smoothness is desired, I combine heavy noise reduction with aggressive sharpening and heavy masking.

In this case:

1. Zoom in to 100% and under "Noise Reduction", crank "Luminance" until the solid blue background parts don't show noise patterning anymore (this was at about 50-60)

2. Hold the "Option" key and, under "Sharpening", crank "Radius" until I can solidly see the details in her lips and hairpiece (about 1.8-2.0)

3. Hold the "Option" key and, under "Sharpening", crank "Amount" until the eyelashes pop (about 90)

4. Zoom back out, hold the "Option" key and, under "Sharpening", crank "Masking" until just the outline of the girl are showing (since it was a pretty solid background, I just kept pushing until the background went black, which was about 29-30)

Clearly lots of texture and detail got lost doing this, but this general concept can totally be dialed back to taste!

Dirty little secret - I've used this technique for quick-and-dirty skin smoothing, even on low-ISO images. It's not the right way to do it and doesn't work for every shot, but it's quick, effective, and doesn't require me to use a brush!


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Feb 14, 2014 21:55 |  #3

Something that can be emphasized from the last post is the use of the Masking tool (in the Sharpening section). The masking tool is designed to decrease sharpening in "smoother" areas, ones which can typically show more noise, and the background of this shot is a good example of a target for Masking!

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Feb 15, 2014 19:47 |  #4

Thanks both, good info.

At this resolution, I do like the skin-smoothing effect of the noise reduction. I'm always afraid of overdoing any skin smoothing, so I generally err on the side of less.

The dark outline around her arms is a little distracting, though overall I like the edit.

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Feb 15, 2014 20:02 |  #5

I didn't bother with skin tones, mainly some topaz denoise with aggressive settings

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Full size with NR only, the blue underexposed areas were the most problematic to deal with.
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Feb 15, 2014 21:33 |  #6

Cool shot - here is the XMP from ACR that I used:


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   crs:AutoBrightness="Fa​lse"
   crs:AutoContrast="Fals​e"
   crs:Saturation="0"
   crs:Sharpness="61"
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   crs:ColorNoiseReductio​n="48"
   crs:ChromaticAberratio​nR="0"
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   crs:SplitToningHighlig​htHue="0"
   crs:SplitToningHighlig​htSaturation="0"
   crs:SplitToningBalance​="0"
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   crs:ParametricDarks="0​"
   crs:ParametricLights="​0"
   crs:ParametricHighligh​ts="0"
   crs:ParametricShadowSp​lit="25"
   crs:ParametricMidtoneS​plit="50"
   crs:ParametricHighligh​tSplit="75"
   crs:SharpenRadius="+1.​2"
   crs:SharpenDetail="67"
   crs:SharpenEdgeMasking​="75"
   crs:PostCropVignetteAm​ount="0"
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   crs:GrainFrequency="50​"
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   crs:ColorNoiseReductio​nSmoothness="50"
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   crs:PerspectiveVertica​l="0"
   crs:PerspectiveHorizon​tal="0"
   crs:PerspectiveRotate=​"0.0"
   crs:PerspectiveScale="​100"
   crs:PerspectiveAspect=​"0"
   crs:PerspectiveUpright​="0"
   crs:AutoLateralCA="0"
   crs:Exposure2012="-1.15"
   crs:Contrast2012="+50"
   crs:Highlights2012="0"
   crs:Shadows2012="0"
   crs:Whites2012="0"
   crs:Blacks2012="0"
   crs:Clarity2012="0"
   crs:DefringePurpleAmount="0​"
   crs:DefringePurpleHueLo="30​"
   crs:DefringePurpleHueHi="70​"
   crs:DefringeGreenAmount="0"
   crs:DefringeGreenHueLo="40"
   crs:DefringeGreenHueHi="60"
   crs:ConvertToGrayscale​="False"
   crs:EnableToneCurve="T​rue"
   crs:EnableSplitToning=​"True"
   crs:EnableColorAdjustm​ents="True"
   crs:EnableDetail="True​"
   crs:EnableLensCorrecti​ons="True"
   crs:EnableEffects="Tru​e"
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   crs:ToneCurveName2012=​"Linear"
   crs:CameraProfile="Cam​era Neutral"
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   crs:HasSettings="True"​>
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   <crs:ToneCurvePV2012Red​>
    <rdf:Seq>
     <rdf:li>0, 0</rdf:li>
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     <rdf:li>0, 0</rdf:li>
     <rdf:li>255, 255</rdf:li>
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   </crs:ToneCurvePV2012Gr​een>
   <crs:ToneCurvePV2012Blu​e>
    <rdf:Seq>
     <rdf:li>0, 0</rdf:li>
     <rdf:li>255, 255</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Seq>
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</x:xmpmeta>

I pulled the exposure down about a stop and then used a radial gradient to reestablish the exposure on the subject. The NR settings are not that aggressive and really don't need to be - the 5DIII shows nice fine grain in the background (the underexposed area). The subject is well exposed and looks great.

That aside - this is where ACR and Adobe's profile is strange. I'm not a big fan of Adobe Standard most of the time anyway, but this example is pretty out there. The tint on the subject from the lighting is obviously a purple/violet. The background is a deep blue for the Adobe Standard rendering. When one switches to Camera Faithful or Camera Neutral, you get a background that is more compatible with the tint on the subject.

You can manipulate the look with the color primaries and saturation sliders in the Camera Calibration tab.

Of course, I was not there, so I don't know what is more "correct". Add to that, all three of the posted images here were converted by ACR to sRGB, where most of the blue background in Adobe Standard (and to a lesser degree the purple of the other two conversions) is out of the sRGB gamut.

You did a great job at capturing a tough shot.

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Feb 15, 2014 22:07 |  #7

Here is a version rendered with Raw Therapee, using the Adobe Standard DCP.

Here is the .pp3 file:


[Version]
AppVersion=4.0.12.1
Version=316

[General]
Rank=0
ColorLabel=0
InTrash=false

[Exposure]
Auto=false
Clip=0.02
Compensation=-0.32000000000000001
Brightness=0
Contrast=33
Saturation=5
Black=0
HighlightCompr=105
HighlightComprThreshol​d=33
ShadowCompr=50
CurveMode=Standard
CurveMode2=Standard
Curve=0;
Curve2=0;

[HLRecovery]
Enabled=true
Method=Color

[Channel Mixer]
Red=100;0;0;
Green=0;100;0;
Blue=0;0;100;

[Black & White]
Enabled=false
Method=Desaturation
Auto=false
ComplementaryColors=tr​ue
Setting=NormalContrast
Filter=None
MixerRed=43
MixerOrange=33
MixerYellow=33
MixerGreen=33
MixerCyan=33
MixerBlue=30
MixerMagenta=33
MixerPurple=33
GammaRed=0
GammaGreen=0
GammaBlue=0
LuminanceCurve=0;
BeforeCurveMode=Standa​rd
AfterCurveMode=Standar​d
BeforeCurve=0;
AfterCurve=0;

[Luminance Curve]
Brightness=0
Contrast=0
Chromaticity=-23
AvoidColorShift=true
RedAndSkinTonesProtect​ion=0
LCredsk=true
LCurve=0;
aCurve=0;
bCurve=0;
ccCurve=0;
chCurve=0;
lhCurve=0;
hhCurve=0;
LcCurve=0;
ClCurve=0;

[Sharpening]
Enabled=true
Method=rld
Radius=0.5
Amount=250
Threshold=20;80;2000;1​200;
OnlyEdges=false
EdgedetectionRadius=1.​8999999999999999
EdgeTolerance=1800
HalocontrolEnabled=fal​se
HalocontrolAmount=85
DeconvRadius=0.75
DeconvAmount=75
DeconvDamping=20
DeconvIterations=30

[Vibrance]
Enabled=false
Pastels=50
Saturated=50
PSThreshold=0;75;
ProtectSkins=false
AvoidColorShift=true
PastSatTog=true
SkinTonesCurve=0;

[SharpenEdge]
Enabled=false
Passes=2
Strength=50
ThreeChannels=false

[SharpenMicro]
Enabled=false
Matrix=false
Strength=20
Uniformity=50

[White Balance]
Setting=Camera
Temperature=3217
Green=1.01099999999999​99
Equal=1

[COLOR appearance]
Enabled=true
Degree=83
AutoDegree=true
Surround=Average
AdaptLum=16
Badpixsl=0
Model=RawT
Algorithm=JC
J-Light=8.09999999999999​96
Q-Bright=0
C-Chroma=0.8000000000000​0004
S-Chroma=0
M-Chroma=0
J-Contrast=13.8000000000​00001
Q-Contrast=0
H-Hue=0
RSTProtection=28.5
AdaptScene=2.503000000​0000001
AutoAdapscen=true
SurrSource=false
Gamut=true
Datacie=false
Tonecie=false
CurveMode=Lightness
CurveMode2=Lightness
CurveMode3=Chroma
Curve=0;
Curve2=0;
Curve3=0;

[Impulse Denoising]
Enabled=true
Threshold=50

[Defringing]
Enabled=false
Radius=2
Threshold=13
HueCurve=1;0.166666666​99999999;0;0.349999999​99999998;0.34999999999​999998;0.3469999999999​9998;0;0.3499999999999​9998;0.349999999999999​98;0.51366742600000004​;0;0.34999999999999998​;0.34999999999999998;0​.66894457100000004;0;0​.34999999999999998;0.3​4999999999999998;0.828​77752459999998;0.97835​991;0.3499999999999999​8;0.34999999999999998;​0.99088838270000001;0;​0.34999999999999998;0.​34999999999999998;

[Directional Pyramid Denoising]
Enabled=true
Enhance=false
Luma=18.60000000000000​1
Ldetail=50
Chroma=15
Method=Lab
Redchro=0
Bluechro=0
Gamma=1.7

[EPD]
Enabled=false
Strength=0.25
EdgeStopping=1.3999999​999999999
Scale=1
ReweightingIterates=0

[Shadows & Highlights]
Enabled=false
HighQuality=false
Highlights=10
HighlightTonalWidth=80
Shadows=10
ShadowTonalWidth=80
LocalContrast=0
Radius=30

[Crop]
Enabled=false
X=0
Y=0
W=5788
H=3862
FixedRatio=false
Ratio=3:2
Orientation=Landscape
Guide=Rule of thirds

[Coarse Transformation]
Rotate=0
HorizontalFlip=false
VerticalFlip=false

[Common Properties for Transformations]
AutoFill=true

[Rotation]
Degree=0

[Distortion]
Amount=0

[LensProfile]
LCPFile=
UseDistortion=true
UseVignette=true
UseCA=false

[Perspective]
Horizontal=0
Vertical=0

[Gradient]
Enabled=false
Degree=0
Feather=25
Strength=0
CenterX=0
CenterY=0

[PCVignette]
Enabled=false
Strength=0
Feather=50
Roundness=50

[CACorrection]
Red=0
Blue=0

[Vignetting Correction]
Amount=0
Radius=50
Strength=1
CenterX=0
CenterY=0

[Resize]
Enabled=false
Scale=0.16
AppliesTo=Cropped area
Method=Lanczos
DataSpecified=3
Width=900
Height=900

[COLOR Management]
InputProfile=file:/lib​rary/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRa​w/CameraProfiles/Adobe Standard/Canon EOS 5D Mark III Adobe Standard.dcp
ToneCurve=false
BlendCMSMatrix=false
DCPIlluminant=0
WorkingProfile=ProPhot​o
OutputProfile=ProPhoto
Gammafree=default
Freegamma=false
GammaValue=2.220000000​0000002
GammaSlope=4.5

[Directional Pyramid Equalizer]
Enabled=true
Mult0=1.25
Mult1=1.2
Mult2=1.14999999999999​99
Mult3=1.10000000000000​01
Mult4=1.05
Threshold=0.2000000000​0000001

[HSV Equalizer]
HCurve=0;
SCurve=0;
VCurve=0;

[RGB Curves]
LumaMode=false
rCurve=0;
gCurve=0;
bCurve=0;

[RAW]
DarkFrame=
DarkFrameAuto=false
FlatFieldFile=
FlatFieldAutoSelect=fa​lse
FlatFieldBlurRadius=32
FlatFieldBlurType=Area Flatfield
CA=true
CARed=0
CABlue=0
HotDeadPixels=true
HotDeadPixelThresh=40
LineDenoise=0
GreenEqThreshold=0
CcSteps=0
Method=lmmse
DCBIterations=2
DCBEnhance=false
LMMSEIterations=2
PreExposure=1
PrePreserv=0
PreBlackzero=0
PreBlackone=0
PreBlacktwo=0
PreBlackthree=0
PreTwoGreen=true

And the image - the colors make more sense. The image was rendered in ProPhoto and then converted to sRGB in Photoshop.

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Feb 15, 2014 22:19 as a reply to  @ kirkt's post |  #8

Here's what I came up with. This was done using Photoninja as the raw processor then finished back in Photoshop.


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Feb 16, 2014 17:20 |  #10

Capture One, Neutral DNG profile. The variety across raw converters is fascinating....

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Feb 16, 2014 17:33 |  #11

nathancarter wrote in post #16690045 (external link)
I'm pretty pleased with this one as I've shot and edited it, though I'm always looking to get better.

This took one click and a couple of seconds using the default settings in Imagenomic Noiseware (external link).

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Feb 16, 2014 21:39 |  #12

Thanks all for your contributions. The variety in the background in the different raw processors is pretty amazing. The background was actually mostly blue for this shot, but maybe not as deep and saturated as any of us made it.

This was a case of many different lights - different colors, shapes, and intensities.

The subject is primarily lit by a yellow/white spotlight from far away (note the darkest shadow of the microphone & stand), secondarily by two variable-color LED stage lights at the front corners of the stage - probably blue-purple at the point, and lastly by two rows of colored stage lights on the ceiling at the front of the stage and at the back of the stage.

The background is lit by the low stage lights mentioned above, and by the ceiling lights.

Here's a shot of the venue before the show, I was standing in a chair with the 14mm. Sorry for the blown highlights. For this shot of this performer, I was standing right behind the back row of chairs, essentially the bottom-right corner of this venue shot.
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As the performers move around the stage, and as the stage manager adjusts the stage lighting and tracks with the spotlight, the lights play differently on the performers and on the set. It certainly makes for a good variety of interesting looks!
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I did not work on the colour.

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Feb 17, 2014 19:19 |  #15

That did a good job

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