Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Index  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Guest
New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Photo Sharing & Visual Enjoyment Birds 
Thread started 15 Feb 2014 (Saturday) 10:08
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

red-shouldered or broad-winged hawk?

 
CaptBob
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
5,575 posts
Gallery: 597 photos
Likes: 3949
Joined Jul 2011
Location: Plantation Fl
     
Feb 15, 2014 10:08 |  #1

most of the hawks I see down here are red-shouldered. in post I noticed this one's plumage is colored a bit differently- not as barred. could it be a broad-winged?


HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.



HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.


1Dmk4,1DXmk2, 600 F4 L IS mk2,100-400 L IS mk2, 16-35 F4 L IS, 24-105 F4L, canon 1.4xmk3, 2xmk3

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)
WTP07
Member
Avatar
159 posts
Likes: 2
Joined Jan 2014
Location: SW Ontario - 43.143986N, 81.781851W
     
Feb 15, 2014 19:43 |  #2

My book says Sharp Shinned hawk, but I may possibly be the worst bird ID guy on the planet. I looked at my "big book o' pictures o' birds" and Sibley, and they both point to Sharp Shinned. I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong. I hope so anyway. :) Either way, great captures!


Preferred Weapons:
Canon 7D Mk II & Sigma 150-500 F5-6.3
Canon 18-55mm EFS & 18-200 IS 4-5.6
Canon 70-300mm IS 4-5.6 III USM
Canon 50mm 1.4 & Canon 50mm 2.5 Macro
Canon 40D

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
DanThoman
Goldmember
Avatar
2,626 posts
Likes: 50
Joined Aug 2009
Location: georgia lake country
     
Feb 15, 2014 20:24 |  #3

Beautiful shots. My vote is sharp-shinned.


Dan
my gear
www.thomanstudio.com (external link)
www.Buckheadwoodcrafte​rs.com (external link)
http://thomanstudio.co​m/blog (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
birder_herper
Senior Member
770 posts
Likes: 25
Joined Feb 2009
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
     
Feb 15, 2014 20:34 as a reply to  @ DanThoman's post |  #4

Great shots. Good question. This is certainly not a sharp-shinned, as others have suggested. I had to go back and forth between red-shouldered and broad-winged. I think it is a red-shouldered...perhaps an immature bird starting to acquire some adult plumage. The tail looks longer than a broad-winged, and I see black-and-white barring in the primaries (never barred in broad-winged). We'll await some more opinions!




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
bettyn
Goldmember
Avatar
3,446 posts
Gallery: 1 photo
Likes: 34
Joined Jun 2006
Location: Marco Island FL
     
Feb 15, 2014 20:40 |  #5

Some RSHs down here have a slightly lighter plumage than is typical of these birds. (I see one like this at Turner Road a lot.) However, I don't see the reddish feathers on the wings that give these hawks their name. Might be a youngster as it looks like an RSH otherwise. Beautiful shots.


My Gear: 6D, 7D, EOS-M w EF-M 22 f2 STM and EF-M 18-55 f3.5-5.6 IS STM, 17-40L f4, 24-70L f2.8, 100 f2.8 non-IS macro, 70-200L f/4 IS, 400L f5.6,, Canon 1.4x II TC, Canon Speedlite 430 EX II, Better Beamer. Manfrotto carbon fiber tripod, 2 monopods, Manfrotto ballhead and pistol grip tripod heads.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
2n10
Cream of the Crop
17,079 posts
Gallery: 79 photos
Likes: 1182
Joined Sep 2012
Location: Sparks, Nevada, USA
     
Feb 15, 2014 21:37 |  #6

Great shot


John
Equipment
My Portfolio (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Evan
Goldmember
Avatar
1,327 posts
Likes: 4
Joined Jun 2009
Location: Oregon
     
Feb 15, 2014 23:07 |  #7

It is not a juvenile Sharp-shinned Hawk. The Sharp-shinned Hawk is a member of the Genus Accipiter. The family that includes the Sharp-shinned Hawk, Cooper's Hawk, and Northern Goshawk. These three species are unique in that they all share yellow eyes as immatures. This bird in the above photographs is an immature, but has brown eyes. Which means that is in the Genus Buteo (the Latin name for buzzard). This genus includes the larger hawks like Red-shouldered Hawk, Red-tailed Hawk, Swainson's Hawk, Rough-legged, and Ferruginous Hawk (North American species). But also includes many, many more Old World buzzards and African species.

An immature Broad-winged is very similar to an immature Red-shouldered. But the difference is that a Broad-winged has much thicker banding on the tail, and the banding tends to stay horizontal to the tail. Comparing that to this image, this bird has thinner banding and at more of a diagonal banding pattern to the tail. On top of that, a Broad-winged has a whiter chest with tear dropped shaped markings instead of the triangle/diamond shaped ones of a Red-shouldered. They will also have a stockier appearance than a Red-shouldered.

Time of year is also a good factor to go off of. Red-shouldered Hawks live year round in the states, but Broad-winged Hawks only live there during breeding season (summer) before migrating to Central America for winter. Most Broad-winged Hawks should have moved out of the states by now. Of course, Florida is a major migration route for the Broad-winged Hawk and a few birds could easily winter over. However, this bird is a Red-shouldered Hawk.

hope this helps ;)


--
flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Lester ­ Wareham
Moderator
Avatar
29,043 posts
Gallery: 3247 photos
Best ofs: 6
Likes: 19687
Joined Jul 2005
Location: Hampshire, UK
     
Feb 16, 2014 05:32 |  #8

Beautiful shots and great gentle light.

If you have raws, could do with the colour temperature up a little I think.


My Photography Home Page (external link) RSS Feed (external link)
Gear List
FAQ on UV and Clear Protective Filters
Macrophotography by LordV

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
budcam
Goldmember
Avatar
3,020 posts
Gallery: 65 photos
Likes: 1239
Joined Sep 2013
Location: Haliburton,Ontario. Canada
     
Feb 16, 2014 05:44 |  #9

Great captures and well done.


Dan
Love the pictures, keep them coming
Canon 80D 60D, 300/4 IS, 70-200 F4 15-85mm IS
Rokinon 14mm F/2.8

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
CaptBob
THREAD ­ STARTER
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
5,575 posts
Gallery: 597 photos
Likes: 3949
Joined Jul 2011
Location: Plantation Fl
     
Feb 16, 2014 07:30 |  #10

Thank you all for your helpful comments- thank you Evan for the detailed lesson on raptors- very interesting. Great tip on time of year habits- I learn something new here nearly every time I visit


1Dmk4,1DXmk2, 600 F4 L IS mk2,100-400 L IS mk2, 16-35 F4 L IS, 24-105 F4L, canon 1.4xmk3, 2xmk3

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
WTP07
Member
Avatar
159 posts
Likes: 2
Joined Jan 2014
Location: SW Ontario - 43.143986N, 81.781851W
     
Feb 16, 2014 07:40 |  #11

Thank you Evan for the thoughtful and detailed clarification! I knew someone would set me straight! :)


Preferred Weapons:
Canon 7D Mk II & Sigma 150-500 F5-6.3
Canon 18-55mm EFS & 18-200 IS 4-5.6
Canon 70-300mm IS 4-5.6 III USM
Canon 50mm 1.4 & Canon 50mm 2.5 Macro
Canon 40D

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
TedEllis
Goldmember
Avatar
4,575 posts
Gallery: 135 photos
Best ofs: 4
Likes: 7732
Joined Jan 2013
Location: Southeastern, PA
     
Feb 16, 2014 07:58 as a reply to  @ WTP07's post |  #12

Nice captures sounds like Evan has you pointed in the right direction.


Ted
http://www.tedellispho​tography.com/ (external link)
There will be days when you get the shot(s) you missed days, months or years before.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Grizz
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
5,496 posts
Gallery: 318 photos
Best ofs: 3
Likes: 3351
Joined Mar 2006
Location: Waldwick, NJ USA
     
Feb 16, 2014 07:59 |  #13

Nice shots.


Craig * Canon 7D Mark II * 60D * 10D * Tamron SP 150-600 f/5-6.3 Di VC USD * EF 400 5.6L USM * EF 17-40 4.0L USM * EF 70-210 4.0 * EF 28 2.8 * EF 50 1.8 MK1*Flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
grayline
Member
Avatar
247 posts
Likes: 19
Joined Dec 2013
Location: Newnan Georgia
     
Feb 16, 2014 08:03 |  #14

nice capture looks to me like an elder Red Shoulder Hawk they keep their breast color and get darker wings and shoulders as they mature.. the yellow banding give the true identifier Blocked and striped tail ...


Gear List :EOS 70D ,Sigma 50mm 1.4,Tamron 18-270, Canon 18-55,Canon HFM31,Canon SX280HS,Olympus E-10 ,

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
prconnection
Member
Avatar
72 posts
Gallery: 1 photo
Likes: 41
Joined Aug 2009
Location: Canada
     
Feb 16, 2014 14:50 |  #15

Nice capture


Canon 5D Mark IV - Canon 100-400L IS EF - Canon 16-35 L II - Canon 24-105L IS EF - Canon 100 Macro L F2.8 - canon 1.4 TC

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

2,437 views & 0 likes for this thread
red-shouldered or broad-winged hawk?
FORUMS Photo Sharing & Visual Enjoyment Birds 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Index   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.1forum software
version 2.1 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is kazali
883 guests, 294 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.