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6D VS 5d3 - Hard Time Deciding

 
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Feb 17, 2014 18:34 as a reply to  @ post 16696425 |  #16

I'm just having a hard time because everyone's opinion is different and there is such a large price jump between the 2 that I want to make sure that the 5d3 is really the right way to go ( I could use the cost difference to pick up a 135mm f/2 I've been after ) I know I need a full frame sensor to handle the higher iso's, and really both cameras would suit me fine in that department.

My main concern is focusing. I usually take side on movement shots, not so much head on. And stacked/head shots in the ring as well. I don't find my 60D "hunts" a lot, but once in a while ( usually on my own dog ) with dark colored dogs it will hunt a bit and won't focus.

Here are a few that I've taken at recent indoor shows to give you an idea of my style. I really appreciate all of the advice.

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Feb 17, 2014 18:39 |  #17

If I were you, I would pick the 5DIII for it's AF for that type of usage, not contest. I have both. But the 5DIII is heavier and feels more robust. Of course, it costs more $$$.

And don't forget, the 5DIII does 6 shots a second and the 6D does 4? The AF and the frame rate of the 5DIII means higher keeper rate.:D


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Feb 17, 2014 19:52 |  #18

Based on your last comment OP, the 5d iii is the way to go. Trust us who have it, you wont look back with it! The autofocus alone will blow your mind and your keeper rate will increase dramatically.




  
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Feb 17, 2014 20:02 as a reply to  @ milleniumking's post |  #19
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These 6D vs. 5D3 threads are so silly and truly ridiculous! One needs the super dooper focus system of the 5d3 in order to take pics of walking dogs? What's wrong with everybody?


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Feb 17, 2014 20:03 |  #20

I would say the 6D. The 6D focuses very well in low light: astoundingly so. Tracking dogs in the ring isn't complicated or difficult: they're moving in the same direction at a pretty consistent speed. It isn't like trials, agility, or flyball where a dog has the ability to break off in any unexpected direction. I would have no qualms using the 6D at dog shows.


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Feb 17, 2014 20:05 |  #21

if you do primarily action, you might as well get the 5D3. You'll likely still be using center focus or center zone, but that 6FPS and the configurations might come in handy, even if you dont know how to use it. The 6D and 60D AF are really close (if you're good with the keeper rate of the 60D, you'll be happy with the 6D), and you might take time to understand how the 5D3's autofocus is beneficial.

Here is some help with the research:
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go through the 14 videos and see if the 5D3 can help. Surprisingly good tutorial, and very close to how the 5D3 actually behaves without using it. If you're willing to purchase a $2500 tool, might as well learn how to use the tool right?


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Feb 17, 2014 20:08 |  #22

If you don't have an immediate justification for the 5DMK3, then the 6D is your choice. Buy some new fast lens with the difference and you will have a new vocation. The 6D takes beautiful images, in low iso, and is really easy to handle.


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Feb 17, 2014 20:16 as a reply to  @ Kumsa's post |  #23

I have the 60d and I just upgraded to the 5D Mark III. I was in the same exact situation contemplating the 6D vs the 5D Mark III. Although with the 60D I was able to achieve focus pretty well, the 5D Mark III really blows it away. I could not believe how many more in focus shots I was able to capture and the image quality is phenomenal. I would go for the 5D Mark III every single time because now I can concentrate more on framing and composition. That is my 2 cents and I love my 60d, but this 5D Mark III is from another planet. I can't put the camera down.


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Feb 17, 2014 20:22 |  #24

Bakewell - I also shoot at working events - herding, tracking, schutzhund, agility and hunt tests. I also spend a lot of time myself on the bike track and shoot a lot during my down time on track days. So not everything is "walking dogs" But they are outdoors. My main questions were regarding indoor lighting issues so that's what I asked advice for. But thanks for taking the time for a snarky reply. ;)

Thank you to all who offered up some useful advise, still have some thinking to do but it's been a big help.


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Feb 17, 2014 20:35 |  #25

equiworks, both cameras have phenomenal center points, and no issues under the lowest of low lights. 5D3 is really to step up your game and move outside of center point. With the 135L, DOF will be significantly thinner than what you're accustomed to, so take that into account when comparing.

I know price is an issue, because if it wasnt, I'de be shooting a 5D3 as well :P

You can buy a second hand 6D and if it's not up to task, you can sell it with little loss and get the 5D3. Only issue is that while you'll get significantly better high iso shots with the 6D, but you'll be in so much ignorant bliss to realize what a machine the 5D3 is. I'm really happy with my 6D, but make no mistakes of how awesome the AF of the 5D3 is. I dont really crave an action camera, but love a highly customizable machine, and the 5D3 is that machine.


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Feb 17, 2014 20:42 |  #26

I'm a 6D user but for those...I'd vote for the 5D Mark III for reasons of AF. Yes, the 6D's AF is good but it's not as easy to keep focus on a moving target with the fewer AF points...adding the fact that 10 of those points are non-cross type. Yes, the 6D has better high ISO but the 5D Mark III isn't far behind.


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Feb 17, 2014 20:59 |  #27

I'd get a 6d for high iso and a 7d for sports and action.


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Feb 17, 2014 21:17 |  #28

Bakewell wrote in post #16697564 (external link)
These 6D vs. 5D3 threads are so silly and truly ridiculous! One needs the super dooper focus system of the 5d3 in order to take pics of walking dogs? What's wrong with everybody?

This.

I have numerous shots where I tracked gymnasts tumbling on the floor with great keeper rates using manual focus at various apertures and FL (50mm f1.4, 70-200mm at f4, others too, see sig) and more recently, using my X-E1. I don't get how people have such a struggle with focusing on moving subjects... unless their moving really fast and erratically (which they likely won't be if it's a dog show, don't they follow a set course?).


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Feb 17, 2014 21:23 |  #29
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equiworks wrote in post #16697618 (external link)
Bakewell - I also shoot at working events - herding, tracking, schutzhund, agility and hunt tests. I also spend a lot of time myself on the bike track and shoot a lot during my down time on track days. So not everything is "walking dogs" But they are outdoors. My main questions were regarding indoor lighting issues so that's what I asked advice for. But thanks for taking the time for a snarky reply. ;)

I believe your initial post stated you shot mainly at low light dog shows. You went on to show pics of walking/prancing dogs. My reply was not directed at you but the people suggesting the 5D3 advisable for such activities. If you want it for "other" activities (as you're NOW stating)... then so be it.

It sounds like you WANT the 5D3. So buy it. Just know it's not necessary for your originally stated purpose.


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Feb 17, 2014 21:27 |  #30

equiworks wrote in post #16697618 (external link)
Bakewell - I also shoot at working events - herding, tracking, schutzhund, agility and hunt tests. I also spend a lot of time myself on the bike track and shoot a lot during my down time on track days. So not everything is "walking dogs" But they are outdoors. My main questions were regarding indoor lighting issues so that's what I asked advice for. But thanks for taking the time for a snarky reply. ;)

Thank you to all who offered up some useful advise, still have some thinking to do but it's been a big help.

Trust me, most of the 6d guys haven't used 5dmk3 so don't know what they missing. Agree center point on 6d is good but 5dmk3 got like 40 points like that. For AF, tracking mainly 1 series and 5dmk3. I know I know folks did take those shots in the 70s with whatever manual camera.:)


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