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Feb 15, 2014 19:19 |  #946

The close up of the same subject. Once again, nice shot on yours.

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Feb 17, 2014 15:33 |  #947

4 shots, -2, -1, 0, +1 merged with photomatix

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Feb 17, 2014 16:20 |  #948

Oldie but a goodie test shot - MarScaperHDR and finished in PS. The tonal compression in MarScaper is really nice and permits all sorts of moves in PS.

NOTE: these images are in AdobeRGB - a color aware browser will help view them properly.

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Feb 17, 2014 18:51 |  #949

kirkt wrote in post #16696921 (external link)
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NOTE: these images are in AdobeRGB - a color aware browser will help view them properly.

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Apparently, SmugMug ASSIGNS images sRGB when you upload them in some other color space. Total BS - I did not realize this. Well, forget the color in these.

SmugMug, I am not happy.


Do the experiment yourself for your image hosting site - RGB 0,255,0 in Adobe RGB is way out of gamut in sRGB. Make a color patch of 0,255,0 in AdobeRGB (or ProPhoto) and save it as a JPEG with the color space profile tag embedded. Then download that image back to your computer and see what profile it has embedded in it.

In my case, I uploaded images with Adobe RGB - when I downloaded them back to my computer, they had sRGB embedded in them - the RGB numbers were identical to the original though - holy crap, they ASSIGNED sRGB to my Adobe RGB images.

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Feb 17, 2014 18:58 |  #950

Why would you upload aRGB images? Web standard is sRGB.


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Feb 17, 2014 19:23 |  #951

Because my web browser is color aware, as is most of the web for people who view images. Why should I remap my colors for folks who don't care about color?

The fact that SmugMug ASSIGNS sRGB is pretty amazing - I drilled into their "help" section and they simply give the same response that you did - sRGB is good enough. If that's okay with SmugMug, that's fine - I've been a customer of theirs for years and have always converted to sRGB - just out of habit. Now that it is 2014, I figured I could simply let my browser sort it out and display the full gamut of my image on a display that is capable of displaying all of those colors.

It's a tag in the image file, not some huge data hog. Apparently SmugMug disagrees and feels the need to edit my image and change the interpretation of the RGB values of my images. I have a real problem with this.

Here is what SmugMug says about this:

Some color experts fume about sRGB. Why?
The last thing a self-respecting color expert wants is to give up colors.
They want monitors and printers that hit every color perfectly, and ICC profiles attached to each image.
But the power of the Internet is its simplicity. The Internet works on TV and TV on the Internet. Consumer devices like cell phones and TVs don't know about ICC profiles and neither do consumer websites like CNN and eBay. They do know sRGB.
Fortunately, 99.9% of us think photos look gorgeous on the Internet, and it flourishes because of the simplicity of assuming every file is in sRGB.

I am not interested in having the images posted here viewed on a TV, or eBay or cell phones. These devices don;t know about color profiles but most of us do, or are at least interested in learning how and why they are important. Why act like it is a complex issue to embed a color profile and respect it? Count me in the 0.1% who think photos should look the way I want them to, and look gorgeous on the internet.

Live and learn, I suppose. Any feedback on photo hosting sites that do not have this limitation would be greatly appreciated.

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Feb 17, 2014 20:26 |  #952

I softproof, adjust, and then convert all my images to sRGB before they leave Ps. It's doesn't take long and I know it will display on most devices just fine. Most of the places I print with prefer sRGB files as well.


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Feb 17, 2014 21:55 |  #953

Scatterbrained wrote in post #16697627 (external link)
I softproof, adjust, and then convert all my images to sRGB before they leave Ps. It's doesn't take long and I know it will display on most devices just fine. Most of the places I print with prefer sRGB files as well.

I have no problem with any of that - standard workflow, I have been doing it forever. I have a problem with SmugMug editing my images and fundamentally changing them without telling me.

Just like digital sensors are getting better, so are displays and web browsers. I should not have to limit my data to sRGB if I choose to take full advantage of color management and wide gamut displays. That's all I'm saying.

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Feb 17, 2014 22:03 |  #954

kirkt wrote in post #16697442 (external link)
Because my web browser is color aware, as is most of the web for people who view images. Why should I remap my colors for folks who don't care about color?.

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EXACTLY!!!!!!:D


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Feb 17, 2014 22:05 |  #955

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Because my web browser is color aware, as is most of the web for people who view images. Why should I remap my colors for folks who don't care about
color
;);) Exactly ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Being color aware and having devices that can handle aRGB are two different things.


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Feb 17, 2014 22:22 |  #956

Scatterbrained wrote in post #16697867 (external link)
Being color aware and having devices that can handle aRGB are two different things.

Right. If I chose to take advantage of the capabilities of a wide gamut display I would like to be able to do so.

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Feb 18, 2014 10:21 |  #957

kirkt wrote in post #16696921 (external link)
Approx 50% crop of detail in finished image:
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What is this robot?!? :D

Playing with the full moon...

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Feb 18, 2014 11:45 |  #958

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What is this robot?!? :D

Ha! It is a Lego NXT robot - it is a robotic programming kit - this example is a treaded vehicle that has a proximity sensor and shoots those colored balls at things when they enter the proximity zone!

I like the color and detail on the robot, so I chose it as part of the scene.

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Nice moon scene!


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Feb 18, 2014 21:16 as a reply to  @ post 13787193 |  #959

My first try wit the HDR setting on my 5d III.

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Feb 18, 2014 21:21 |  #960

^^ Great shot!


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