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6D VS 5d3 - Hard Time Deciding

 
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Feb 18, 2014 13:31 as a reply to  @ post 16699232 |  #61

What's Funny is that I have 2 friends of mine that have the 5D MKIII. They were both telling me "buy the 5D MKIII, It's an awesome camera etc. etc......". All of my other fellow photographers who "DO NOT" have the 5DMKIII nor has even seen one, had every reason under the sun for me not to buy one. Now granted, clearly the 5DMKIII isn't for everyone. But Don't speak on it, if you don't own it! or at least have never spent any quality time using one. At the end of the day form your own opinion, but ^obviously^ you will get a lot of non warranted advice.


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Feb 18, 2014 13:38 |  #62

EOS5DC wrote in post #16699232 (external link)
I gonna guess not many of you are on Rockport forums getting approval from strangers about your choice of shoes.

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Feb 18, 2014 13:42 |  #63
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TeamSpeed wrote in post #16699187 (external link)
You don't see 5D3 owners going to 1DX threads and telling people they don't need the 1DX, the 5D3 is as good or better for their needs. That seems to be something only you and a couple of others do often.

So you are going to retract your comments then? Now that you are more educated about the AF systems of the 2 models...? ;)

Sorry...this is a 5d3 thread? Seriously? Thought the OP was asking about the 6D. Can you be more specific? Can you show any posts I've made in a 5D3 thread? The intelectual capacity of most 5D3 owners is beyond me (and most other humans)...I would never intrude on their sacred territory. People want a 5D3 they should buy one. Lets not make excuses why it's necessary to take pics of dogs.


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Feb 18, 2014 13:43 |  #64

The Canon 7D Kid wrote in post #16699321 (external link)
=The "Canon 7D" Kid;16699321]What's Funny is that I have 2 friends of mine that have the 5D MKIII. They were both telling me "buy the 5D MKIII, It's an awesome camera etc. etc......". All of my other fellow photographers who "DO NOT" have the 5DMKIII nor has even seen one, had every reason under the sun for me not to buy one. Now granted, clearly the 5DMKIII isn't for everyone. But Don't speak on it, if you don't own it! or at least have never spent any quality time using one. At the end of the day form your own opinion, but ^obviously^ you will get a lot of non warranted advice.

The same exact thing can and should be said of the 6D, so I fail to see your point.

As I and others have stated numerous times, I've shot both, I know for a fact that I don't need the 5D3 and in fact with my favorite lenses the 6D is the better camera thanks to the EG-S screen.


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Feb 18, 2014 13:43 |  #65

EOS5DC wrote in post #16699232 (external link)
The 5D3 has a dual-cross f/2.8 center point. Nice. So does my 60D. Big deal. If you have a 5D3, or a 1Dx, or a Rebel XT, and it works fine for you, great! Shoot it and be happy. Who gives a FFA what someone else thinks of your hardware? I gonna guess not many of you are on Rockport forums getting approval from strangers about your choice of shoes. Why cameras?

Let's not take the comments out of context. The answer that the one member gave on the differences was in response to a misinformed answer given by another. It was not made to further any arguments one way or another, but rather to clear the record. So let's not make it out to be something it wasn't.

There are several that seem to be ignorant of the AF differences, hardware and otherwise, and if folks want to be fully informed on which decision is best for them, then the merits/characteristics​/features of each have to be laid out honestly and based in fact, not opinion or worse.


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TeamSpeed wrote in post #16699348 (external link)
There are several that seem to be ignorant of the AF differences, hardware and otherwise, and if folks want to be fully informed on which decision is best for them, then the merits/characteristics​/features of each have to be laid out honestly and based in fact, not opinion or worse.

Could you possibly explain the differences? Can you enlighten us? Specifically, how the Automatic AI Servo works on the 6D vs. the 5D3? Please be specific. Thanks!

(edit)...and why the 5D3 center point is superior...thanks again!


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Feb 18, 2014 13:57 |  #67

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Could you possibly explain the differences? Can you enlighten us? Specifically, how the Automatic AI Servo works on the 6D vs. the 5D3? Please be specific. Thanks!

(edit)...and why the 5D3 center point is superior...thanks again!

The differences have been stated already. You can cast your line out into some other part of the lake, ain't no fish in this part of the pond. ;)


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TeamSpeed wrote in post #16699387 (external link)
The differences have been stated already. You can cast your line out into some other part of the lake, ain't no fish in this part of the pond. ;)

at least any worth catching....


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Bakewell wrote in post #16699371 (external link)
Could you possibly explain the differences? Can you enlighten us? Specifically, how the Automatic AI Servo works on the 6D vs. the 5D3? Please be specific. Thanks!

(edit)...and why the 5D3 center point is superior...thanks again!

Patiently waiting...........

and waiting...............


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Feb 18, 2014 14:31 |  #70

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I am in a similar position to you, except I am wanting to go full-frame from my 7D. I would go 6D, however, the AF system would be a downgrade from my 7D. I shoot a lot of my daughter's dance routines, so a relatively quick AF system is needed. Having seen some of the closest things to action shots on the 6D, I will continue saving my money for the 5DIII.

Wise move, I upgraded from a 7D.
Certainly would hate going back with autofocus or build quality.
Plus there are more sensitive AF points if you have F2.8 or less lenses.
Plus moving the FF means longer lenses and I think the weight and size of the 5D3 helps one wield say a 70-200F2.8L Mk II. ( sure others will disagree )


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Feb 18, 2014 14:53 as a reply to  @ Submariner's post |  #71

Just a thought, more and more accurate AF points mean less focus and recompose.
I find that useful, the fact I can trust the outer points makes my life easier.
I find its even easier in a studio - eg a model swings around, and I want to focus on her eyes. They are now on the opposite side!

But I am sure when I get good at photography I will only need the centre point.


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Feb 18, 2014 15:03 |  #72

Does the camera makes the shooter or...
Does the shooter make the camera.

Anyways...

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Feb 18, 2014 15:11 |  #73

For my uses, the 6D is fine. The day that I require a more robust AF system is the day I will put my 6D on the back burner. The 6D AF works, but dont be fooled, its pretty basic. I regularly use the outer points, and it often hunts for focus. I switch to the center point and it locks on fast. Thats just part of the deal. There are work arounds to this but if you plan on spending most of your time on outer points for composition reasons, the 5D3 might be the way to go.


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Feb 18, 2014 15:14 |  #74

Submariner wrote in post #16699488 (external link)
Wise move, I upgraded from a 7D.
Certainly would hate going back with autofocus or build quality.
Plus there are more sensitive AF points if you have F2.8 or less lenses.
Plus moving the FF means longer lenses and I think the weight and size of the 5D3 helps one wield say a 70-200F2.8L Mk II. ( sure others will disagree )

With the faster more accurate AF on the 6D over the 5D2 and 5D, this means that center point, which was already pretty good as long as you had the assist points turned on, is substantially better. It is easy to see how many, however abrasive, are passionate about their 6D doing everything they need it to do.

However, I have learned to really lean on the 1D AF system, and the 5D3 is very, very close to that. The 19 pts on the 7D was good, but having a wider range of AF points means handoff to the other points work even better, zone AF is very smooth at tracking, and the outer points on the 5D3, provided you use the right lenses, is as good or very close to the center point on other cameras. Less recomposure is good, and I can track a player along one side of the frame so that I don't have to crop the composure out later. I never use center point in either orientation during basketball shots, simply because I don't want the guys' butts in focus, I want their faces. :lol:

I use very close to the top AF point for tracking in portrait mode (actually down and to the left a bit), so I can track the players movements. I can pick up a player as they go up for a 3pt shot too with this configuration.

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The other great thing about 5D3 and 1DX shooters is that they don't belittle the 6D, they know it is a good camera, and in fact several have one as a back up FF. :)

Will the 6D satisfy the OP's needs? Yes absolutely. If they want more and have the budget for it, and want a camera they can grow into, then the 5D3 fits the bill.

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Feb 18, 2014 15:18 |  #75
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gnome chompski wrote in post #16699582 (external link)
For my uses, the 6D is fine. The day that I require a more robust AF system is the day I will put my 6D on the back burner. The 6D AF works, but dont be fooled, its pretty basic. I regularly use the outer points, and it often hunts for focus. I switch to the center point and it locks on fast. Thats just part of the deal. There are work arounds to this but if you plan on spending most of your time on outer points for composition reasons, the 5D3 might be the way to go.

That's some unbiased comment from a 6D owner right here!

More reliable and better AF points aren't reserved for actions only but more for compositional reason, especially with fast primes where focus recompose just doesn't work all that well....

fwiw, the center point remains to be my least used point....But if you are primarily a center point shooter, 6D does that job all well and fine.


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