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Feb 19, 2014 21:08 |  #16

Xerxes wrote in post #16702712 (external link)
Some background- I like nature photography. Everything from huge landscapes to closeups to distant objects. I am upgrading from a Canon S3IS to the T5i. The original plan was to get a single affordable all-purpose lens, but after playing for a day with the 'nifty fifty', I found a new love for photography. What lens combo do you recommend for producing sharp images with good colour and contrast like the 50mm, but without getting 'L' spendy?

1. The EF-S 18-135mm STM and a good UWA (which one?) is this long enough on a cropped sensor?
2. A UWA, the EF 15-85mm and maybe a long 100-200mm
3. A UWA, the EF 15-40mm (or tamron 17-50) walk around and a 70-200mm
Any specific brands besides Canon? If it's an EF-S lens, does that mean that you don't have to multiply the width by 1.6 to get the actual
width? Which is the best UWA lens? Or save the money and go with a bowen fisheye lens?

I don't mind heft as long as the pictures are great. Also, what filter is recommended for protecting the inside of the camera when changing lenses as this will be used in the humid jungle and forested areas with stuff that could get inside (is that something you should even worry about?).

Thanks in advance

First off, forget about crop factor and multiplying this by that and all of that BS!! 17mm is 17mm. It does not matter if it's an EF or EF-S lens. Stick the EF 17-40L or EF-S 17-55 on your t51 and both will look exactly the same at each focal length. Now if you put that 17-40L on a full frame camera the field of view will look different as the sensor is larger but the focal length did not change.

What do you consider to be "L spendy"? I could tell you that the tokina 11-16, sigma 18-35, and sigma 50-150 OS is the best 3 lens combo on a crop camera. But A) thats my opinion and B) that might be well over your budget.

For ultra wides there are a few great choices depending on needs. The over all best is arguably the canon 10-22. The tokina 11-16 is great if you need f2.8 in an UWA lens. Then there is the sigma 10-20 which is and great, less expensive, alternative to the canon 10-22. If you need the ultimate in ultra wide there is the sigma 8-16mm. As for the Bowen FE lens as a UWA.....well its a fish eye lens so you will get fish eye distortion. While I have used it as an UWA before and I love some of the photos I have produced with it I will say that it is not great for most UWA lens situations.

For general purpose walk around the canon 15-85 and 18-135 STM and both very good lenses, but are a bit on the slow side. I also like the sigma 17-70 as it has god range and is a bit faster then both the 15-85 and 18-135. If you need f2.8 through out a lenses range then any of the 17-5X lenses are good choices (canon 17-55, sigma 17-50 OS or Tamron 17-50). If you need the ultimate in speed, and don't mind sacrificing range to get it, then the sigma 18-35 f1.8 is a killer lens....and expensive...but killer :p

As far as "close up of distant objects" go there are quite a few choices with different range and price. In the "under 300mm" group the Tamron 70-300 VC is probably the best choice with the canon 70-300 IS a close second (my opinion, others may vary) and then the canon 55-250 IS. If you need more then 300mm then get ready to drop about $1000 (give or take several hundred). Now you have the canon 100-400, sigma 50-500, sigma 150-500, sigma 120-400, and the brand new Tamron 150-600 (or if you want an amazing prime, albeit rather slow, there is also the canon 400 f5.6L in this price group)

There are also some "all in one" lenses like the sigma 18-250 or tamron 18-270 but getting 50mm f1.8 like performance out of them is not going to happen. They have great range and are good lenses but there is also going to be a trade off for all of that range




  
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Feb 19, 2014 21:11 |  #17
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He did ask about UW on Canon APS-c sensor cameras, did he not?

On the long side, nothing is stopping him from using, say, the 55-250 STM on his APS-C DSLR.




  
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Feb 19, 2014 21:24 |  #18

Abu Mahendra wrote in post #16703003 (external link)
He did ask about UW on Canon APS-c sensor cameras, did he not?

On the long side, nothing is stopping him from using the 55-250 STM with the adapter.

Yes, yes. You love your M. We get it. Two problems:
1) The 11-22 isn't sold in the US market (though only a problem if the OP is in the US)
2) The EOS M has been discontinued with no sign of the m2 (this might be a US thing though) so the M's getting sold are just remaining stock




  
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Feb 19, 2014 21:27 |  #19

Abu Mahendra wrote in post #16703003 (external link)
He did ask about UW on Canon APS-c sensor cameras, did he not?

On the long side, nothing is stopping him from using the 55-250 STM with the adapter.

he asked about using it on a t5i...nothing is stopping him except for the fact he'd be using a mediocre camera for shooting things that move in nature...

if he had said, hey i'm getting an eos-m i want an uwa for that...that's when you say get the 11-22mm...


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Feb 19, 2014 21:35 |  #20

Abu Mahendra wrote in post #16702879 (external link)
Different camera? It's the same sensor. Same family, EOS. Same menus, interface, feel and picture quality of any 18MP Canon APS-C sensor. Takes EF-S and EF lenses via the adapter. You said "crop bodies". The M is a crop body.

For the six reasons enumerated quite plainly above, the best option for Ultra-wide zoom for Canon APS-C sensor cameras is the EF-M 11-22 STM IS.

Yes; a different camera. The EOS-M is a compact, mirror-less body which is physically a DIFFERENT body.

In common discussion, "crop body" refers, specifically, to the APS-C dSLR line of cameras.

Since the EOS-M lens will not mount on an APS-C dSLR, it does not qualify for the conversation at hand.


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Feb 19, 2014 21:36 |  #21
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gremlin75 wrote in post #16703031 (external link)
Yes, yes. You love your M. We get it. Two problems:
1) The 11-22 isn't sold in the US market (though only a problem if the OP is in the US)
2) The EOS M has been discontinued with no sign of the m2 (this might be a US thing though) so the M's getting sold are just remaining stock

Yeah, and...so what if they are remaining stock? You can buy the 11-22 mail-order from Canada if you are in the US.




  
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Feb 19, 2014 21:39 |  #22
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Suit yourselves. I came here with a different idea. Make the M + 11-22 lens your dedicated UW shooter, to complement--not replace--your DSLR in other focal ranges. And I gave you six, count'em, six solid reasons for it.




  
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Feb 19, 2014 21:47 |  #23

Abu Mahendra wrote in post #16703058 (external link)
Yeah, and...so what if they are remaining stock? You can buy the 11-22 mail-order from Canada if you are in the US.

$255 for eos M body + $400 + $13 shipping from Canada (and hope no import tax) for the 11-22= $658 (and again hope for no import tax)

$650 for the canon 10-22 + no shipping costs= $650

Still not cheaper! Also I have seen no comparison of the 10-22 and 11-22 so how can you say the 11-22 is better?




  
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Feb 19, 2014 21:55 |  #24

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Still not cheaper! Also I have seen no comparison of the 10-22 and 11-22 so how can you say the 11-22 is better?

The mirrorless version is not retrofocus, so it's bound to be much better. It's also smaller.

For vacation photography I would definitely go with the mirrorless.


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Feb 20, 2014 01:01 |  #25

Xerxes wrote in post #16702712 (external link)
Some background- I like nature photography. Everything from huge landscapes to closeups to distant objects. I am upgrading from a Canon S3IS to the T5i. The original plan was to get a single affordable all-purpose lens, but after playing for a day with the 'nifty fifty', I found a new love for photography. What lens combo do you recommend for producing sharp images with good colour and contrast like the 50mm, but without getting 'L' spendy?

1. The EF-S 18-135mm STM and a good UWA (which one?) is this long enough on a cropped sensor?
2. A UWA, the EF 15-85mm and maybe a long 100-200mm
3. A UWA, the EF 15-40mm (or tamron 17-50) walk around and a 70-200mm
Any specific brands besides Canon? If it's an EF-S lens, does that mean that you don't have to multiply the width by 1.6 to get the actual
width? Which is the best UWA lens? Or save the money and go with a bowen fisheye lens?

I don't mind heft as long as the pictures are great. Also, what filter is recommended for protecting the inside of the camera when changing lenses as this will be used in the humid jungle and forested areas with stuff that could get inside (is that something you should even worry about?).

Thanks in advance

Heya,

Ultrawide - Rokinon/Samyang 14mm F2.8 (fully manual, focus to infinity, done, do your landscape, stars, etc).

Walk around: 18-135 Kit with your purchase.

Save up for a good telephoto later (200mm and higher).

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Feb 20, 2014 08:02 |  #26

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Quickly discontinued? Really? You can still buy it today. And it's been for sale since 2012. Have you owned one? Did you know about the firmware update about a year ago that improved AF speed? Did you know the M2 has been released, and that the Canon CEO hinted at an M3 at the end of the year? Sounds to me you don't know what you are talking about.

Yes, discontinued.
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Feb 20, 2014 08:07 |  #27

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Feb 20, 2014 08:29 |  #28

I can only tell you what I did. There are lots of lens options and each of us has our favorite subjects.

I started out with just the 15-85, which I found used. They are routinely selling for $500 in perfect condition. I saved up and added a 70-300L a while later. That two lens solution works well for me, though I mostly shoot outdoors in Florida sunshine. If you take a lot of indoor photos, you might want something faster like the Canon 17-55 f/2.8. You can often find these used at great prices because of the popularity of the 6D.

I did add a 100L for shots of flowers and other macro stuff 6 months or so after I got the other lenses.

I got my wife an SL1 not long after it was released and got her the 15-85 too, along with a 55-250 that I just upgraded to the STM model. (It shows up today)

I was going to give my two cents but this post went on much longer than I expected... so a quarter, I guess.

Oh, one other comment... if you are shooting any wildlife, I find 300mm to well work sometimes but as you'll see or hear from others, you can never have enough telephoto length. My next lens will be either the 100-400L or 400L f/5.6 for birding. These two lenses still fall into the "affordable" category, at least for me.


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Feb 20, 2014 16:26 |  #29

Thanks for all the responses! Lots of good ideas and arguments to chew on.

gremlin75 wrote in post #16702996 (external link)
What do you consider to be "L spendy"? I could tell you that the tokina 11-16, sigma 18-35, and sigma 50-150 OS is the best 3 lens combo on a crop camera. But A) thats my opinion and B) that might be well over your budget.

More about finding the sweet spot. Between pontiac, Toyota and BMW, I choose Toyota. Im willing to spend $500-$650 for a really decent lens, for example if the canon 70-300 is twice as good as the sigma 70-300 ($150) and the 55-250mm STM (used) then I'd go for the canon, but if it's only marginally better, then cheaping out makes sense. The 50mm F/1.8 is proof that you don't need to spend a lot to get a lot.

From sample shots, the 300mm f/4L is exactly what I want but retails for $1300. If you could get almost as good for around $600 that would be ideal. I think I like primes more than zooms and I don't mind a little vignetting effect in everything except UWA landscapes which needs to be crisp with lots of depth of field and good color.

The budget is around $1500 but I usually overspend LOL.

The Rokinon 14mm prime sounds like a great compromise, except that it doesn't seem wide enough. If the sigma 8-16mm produce as good images as the Canon 10-22 and Tokina 11-16 with 25-30% more field of view then it's worth paying 25% more IMO. Except that you can't fit a filter on there which will invite damage. But those other two look damn sweet too, 11-16mm has faster aperture. Hard choices...




  
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Feb 20, 2014 16:40 |  #30

Heya,

If you have $1500 to spend, and you can pop that budget, then:

18-135 STM Kit
Tamron 150-600

All focal lengths covered.

When you want to go ultrawide, look towards the Rokinon 14mm F2.8, or Tokina 11-16 F2.8, or Canon 10-22 down the road. But 18mm should be wide enough for most applications.

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