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Feb 23, 2014 02:35 |  #46

jtmiv wrote in post #16709244 (external link)
One could also ask you to not excuse the equipment, but that would run counter to the accepted wisdom of paying more and getting less that seems to be the prevailing wisdom here and elsewhere?

So don't excuse the equipment then. Blame Canon. It's Canon that designed a lens release solution where quite a number of people - with or without any BR - have dropped lenses.

Any other equipment where $10000+ is at stake would have be designed with a more fail-safe solution.


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Feb 23, 2014 03:12 |  #47

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Hi again, your photo misses the point. The problem arose with the BR attached to the Lens and not the body as shown. If your body bounces off your person/pocket and releases the lens the lens could fall off the camera body and hit the deck.

Your example fails to provide the necessary anchorage to the other detachable item i.e. the lens in your case. Your concept would work if your BR was attached to the lens and the tether as shown. As mine is now!

Again you aren't getting it. Fashion something that works for you. I clearly stated above that a tether to the lens and body are in order. The point that you aren't getting is that it isn't a designed flaw with BR. When walking, or not using your camera, you can lock it in place so as to not make it swing around. Too many people blaming a piece of webbing and a carabiner for their own mistakes.

ten31 wrote in post #16709210 (external link)
Some of you are confusing "design flaw" with "consequence of use". Evaluate your equipment, I for one have posted in here about safety tethers. A person carrying a 70-200, should have the BR mounted on the tripod mount, and a safety tether to the body of the camera. It would also help to ensure that the lens is firmly secured into the camera, that the BR screw is firmly secured, etc before you go about your business.

Stop blaming the equipment.


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Feb 23, 2014 03:45 |  #48

ten31 wrote in post #16710204 (external link)
Again you aren't getting it. Fashion something that works for you. I clearly stated above that a tether to the lens and body are in order. The point that you aren't getting is that it isn't a designed flaw with BR. When walking, or not using your camera, you can lock it in place so as to not make it swing around. Too many people blaming a piece of webbing and a carabiner for their own mistakes.

If I made a mistake it was to believe the BR promotion material. This, and my ignorance of the possibility that this could happen, allowed me to suffer an expensive lesson.

I just want others to grasp this potential weakness in the concept and to guard against it as, it seems, you have.

I agree with the other poster on the point that the blame (if there is blame) is more weighted towards Canon for such a sloppy engagement mechanism between two very expensive pieces of kit.


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Feb 23, 2014 03:55 |  #49

Lastblackdog wrote in post #16710226 (external link)
If I made a mistake it was to believe the BR promotion material. This, and my ignorance of the possibility that this could happen, allowed me to suffer an expensive lesson.

I just want others to grasp this potential weakness in the concept and to guard against it as, it seems, you have.

I agree with the other poster on the point that the blame (if there is blame) is more weighted towards Canon for such a sloppy engagement mechanism between two very expensive pieces of kit.

Agreed on the Canon part.


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Feb 23, 2014 08:23 as a reply to  @ ten31's post |  #50

It isn't a design flaw on Canon's part. They provide sling attachment points. Attaching third party accessories in a way which compromises safe function of camera and lens can't in any logical sense be blamed on Canon.


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Feb 23, 2014 08:27 |  #51

I had something similar while shooting a motorcycle race in the wild.
When moving from one area to another, somehow my body decided to detach itself from the lens. My strap was also connected to the lens and not the body.

I'm using a carry speed pro strap, and it comes with a small elastic strap which I connect to body on one side, and to the strap via a small hook to the front.

Something like this:

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The body did not fall, but you could feel the elastic line not enjoying the stretch of the body.
Too bad they don't sell those anymore :(

I did had my body fall with the 24-70 from a tripod as I was unhooking it to the ground. I now have an ugly crack at the bottom, but nothing damaged and everything still works.
It happened on my second day of a 10 days trip to japan, and I almost lost it when it happened (almost slow motion 'NOOOOOOOOO!" came out). Luckily it survived the whole trip.

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Feb 23, 2014 08:45 |  #52

I no longer use a strap only anymore. I once had a near disaster at Mesa Verde National Park when the strap broke on me. I instantly grabbed the last foot of the strap just before the camera and the lens met the rocky pavement. I now use a strap (OP/Tech) but only as a safety tether while the camera is holstered in either Peak Design Capture Clip or in the Cotton Carrier Vest, depending on my shooting situation.



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Feb 23, 2014 10:44 |  #53

Gungnir wrote in post #16710542 (external link)
It isn't a design flaw on Canon's part. They provide sling attachment points. Attaching third party accessories in a way which compromises safe function of camera and lens can't in any logical sense be blamed on Canon.

Have you tried Google or maybe searched on this site?

Have you not noticed that a number of people have had falling lenses while using Canon-original straps?


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Feb 23, 2014 11:22 |  #54

This is the back up I used. I use a wrist strap so I utilize it.

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I found that any metal connecters just scratched the body so I just went to a short optic strap

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Feb 23, 2014 11:39 |  #55

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This is the back up I used. I use a wrist strap so I utilize it.

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I found that any metal connecters just scratched the body so I just went to a short optic strap

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Lots of straps but what is connected to your lens? It is the separation of the body and the lens that is causing us grief!


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Feb 23, 2014 12:09 |  #56

Dear ten,

Yeah you get it. Pay 3X's more for something and then keep adding additional pieces to it until it finally works.

That makes a lot of sense to me, NOT!

The OP/TECH strap I use has survived just fine without the addition of extra parts and it will survive for a long time. What you think are cheap clips are used in thousands of pieces of outdoor gear and I have never seem a failure with one of them ever unless the clip was stepped on, shut in a car door, or otherwise crushed.

I have many fishing and boating items that use those same clips that I use in far more rugged conditions than simply walking around with a camera. They don't break and they don't disconnect, period.

You can use whatever you choose but please don't think that additional engineering is a mandatory requirement for a camera sling strap because it simply isn't necessary if you start with a good one.

And furthermore pwm, it isn't Canon's fault either. I've been using Canon cameras since 1990 or so and have never managed to disconnect the lens from the mount accidently and I don't know of anyone else who has either? If the strap webbing lays across the lens release that is a design problem for the strap, not the camera.

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Feb 23, 2014 12:32 |  #57

Ditto.



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Feb 23, 2014 12:35 |  #58

this is why i sold my black rapid strap i could see the prospects of some thing bad happening!even though its a cool way to hall your rig around all day at the park it just did not seem safe with that bolt at the bottom,sorry for your drop.


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Feb 23, 2014 13:07 |  #59

Thanks to all for their input, prior to all this I really didn't think about a safety tether, you can bet they will be there from this point forward.


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Feb 23, 2014 14:28 |  #60

Lastblackdog wrote in post #16710902 (external link)
Lots of straps but what is connected to your lens? It is the separation of the body and the lens that is causing us grief!

The set up on image #2 is similar to #1. Instead of a carabiner there is a short strap connected to the wrist strap which in on the camera at all times. I can loop the opposite end any way I like. In image #2, I just looped it around the BR strap. Easier to explain using image #1 - it is looped around the BR strap is just below the carabiner.


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