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Feb 24, 2014 23:32 |  #1786

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Whoa. Interesting.

I had no idea.

My first M9 suffered a cracked sensor on the plane ride during my vacation to Yellowstone. It really sucked... :(

EDIT: Luckily Leica replaced the sensor, repainted the whole camera, and replaced the worn leather all for free.




  
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Feb 24, 2014 23:47 |  #1787

Only had time to look at this page but Allen & edge100 - you have some great shots posted here!




  
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Feb 25, 2014 07:45 |  #1788

monty28428 wrote in post #16715295 (external link)
Only had time to look at this page but Allen & edge100 - you have some great shots posted here!

Thanks Monty..

Where ya been hiding?




  
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Feb 25, 2014 07:55 |  #1789

monty28428 wrote in post #16715295 (external link)
Only had time to look at this page but Allen & edge100 - you have some great shots posted here!

Thanks!


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Feb 25, 2014 08:00 |  #1790

bsaber wrote in post #16715280 (external link)
My first M9 suffered a cracked sensor on the plane ride during my vacation to Yellowstone. It really sucked... :(

EDIT: Luckily Leica replaced the sensor, repainted the whole camera, and replaced the worn leather all for free.

I will hand it to Leica; they're very good about making things right when their cameras fail.

Perhaps there's a bit of an ascertainment bias at play here; who knows how many M3s failed in the first 4-5 years following introduction. But ask yourself this: do you expect to be able to create viewable photographs with your M9/MM/Typ 240/etc in 25 years? That is, do you expect (a) the camera to remain functional and (b) the photos to be in a format that is widely supported at the time? I fully expect my MP to be able to make photographs (and yes, I fully expect film - at least B&W film - to exist in 25 years). Perhaps JPEG will still be around (who knows, though), but will the off-the-shelf electronics in your camera still be functional?

This isn't an argument against digital cameras; it's an argument against very, very expensive digital cameras. You simply cannot expect to amortize the cost of an MM over 25 (e.g.) years, whereas I expect my MP to outlive me, as evidenced by the ongoing functional lifespan of the earliest M3s (now at 60 years and counting). If you earn money from your digital Leica, then it's a wonderful choice, and the cost is not an issue. If you don't, then that's another story.


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Feb 25, 2014 10:10 |  #1791

I think that Leica and Hasselblad both were really late to the digital game because they honestly didn't believe it would be as big as it became. By 20K I had had more trouble with my 5Dcs and my 5DIIs than what I've had with my MM which is no problems at all.I have a good friend that has an early M9 and also has an M8 and he had issues with both. But Leica took care of it. Speaking of expensive I had CPS send me a 1DsMkIII and it was DOA.

If I had a darkroom I would still be shooting film and probably have kept one of my Blads and I would have an older film Leica but I don't (divorce forced a huge downsize years ago) and my clients demand digital so I will shoot with my MM until it dies. Hopefully Leica will still be able to repair it if does if not I move on no different from if I had a top of the line Nikon or Canon. The one thing about my MM is I really don't need to upgrade to anything. 18MPs and the low light capability of this camera only make a complete failure and not being able to get it repaired a reason to buy a new camera. The MM actually has more stuff than what I want and need on a camera and there isn't much on an MM. But I can't have the attitude I shouldn't buy a digital camera because it's probably going to fail. My family has to eat.




  
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Feb 25, 2014 14:24 |  #1792

airfrogusmc wrote in post #16716207 (external link)
I think that Leica and Hasselblad both were really late to the digital game because they honestly didn't believe it would be as big as it became. By 20K I had had more trouble with my 5Dcs and my 5DIIs than what I've had with my MM which is no problems at all.I have a good friend that has an early M9 and also has an M8 and he had issues with both. But Leica took care of it. Speaking of expensive I had CPS send me a 1DsMkIII and it was DOA.

If I had a darkroom I would still be shooting film and probably have kept one of my Blads and I would have an older film Leica but I don't (divorce forced a huge downsize years ago) and my clients demand digital so I will shoot with my MM until it dies. Hopefully Leica will still be able to repair it if does if not I move on no different from if I had a top of the line Nikon or Canon. The one thing about my MM is I really don't need to upgrade to anything. 18MPs and the low light capability of this camera only make a complete failure and not being able to get it repaired a reason to buy a new camera. The MM actually has more stuff than what I want and need on a camera and there isn't much on an MM. But I can't have the attitude I shouldn't buy a digital camera because it's probably going to fail. My family has to eat.

And there's the rub; you're using your MM to produce saleable work. In that case, the investment in top end gear is worth it because you only have to amortize that cost over the period of time it takes you to make the money back. And as you've pointed out, a Leica MM or Typ 240 is no more expensive than a 1DX or D4s, and has a smiliar life expectancy. For you, an MM makes sense, because you couldn't produce the type of work you do with a Canon or Nikon.

However, a lot of people who don't earn money from their photography buy into Leica thinking that Leica digital cameras are going to have the same legendary reliability and lifespan as Leica film cameras, and there's simply no evidence that that is true (and lots of evidence to suggest it is not).

I earn very little money with my MP (a print sale now and again), but I'm reasonably confident that the substantial investment I made in it will be amortized over many, many years. So the per year cost will remain low.


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Feb 25, 2014 16:03 |  #1793

Well I won't know how durable for years to come. My buddy still has both his M8 and his M9 and they are still working fine and he has had his M8 for a long time. Got it right after it came out.




  
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Feb 25, 2014 19:24 |  #1794

airfrogusmc wrote in post #16717137 (external link)
Well I won't know how durable for years to come. My buddy still has both his M8 and his M9 and they are still working fine and he has had his M8 for a long time. Got it right after it came out.

M8 came out in Sept 2006; less than 8 years ago.

The M3 came out in 1954; 60 years ago.

We've got a LONG way to go to see whether the digital Ms have the same type of longevity. My circa-2004 1D Mark II is still working.


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Feb 25, 2014 19:28 |  #1795

It's electronic so its not getting 60 years but I will be very happy if my MM gets 15.




  
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Feb 25, 2014 19:37 |  #1796

airfrogusmc wrote in post #16717587 (external link)
It's electronic so its not getting 60 years but I will be very happy if my MM gets 15.

Exactly my point. 15 years is about right.


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Feb 25, 2014 19:40 |  #1797

Thats OK by me...




  
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Feb 25, 2014 19:45 |  #1798

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Feb 25, 2014 20:40 |  #1799

airfrogusmc wrote in post #16717623 (external link)
Thats OK by me...

Absolutely, because you're recouping the cost of your MM in the interim.

But a lot of people expect their digital Leicas to live as long as film Leicas, and that's just not going to happen.


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Feb 25, 2014 22:03 |  #1800

And thats different from those with 1DsMkIII to think they will last as long as these?

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There are those that think Leica M digital is SO expensive and don't think twice about paying the same price for a top of the line Canon digital or Nikon digital. When these Canons were new they were the top of the line and the Nikon F was the top of the line and Leica M was over twice as much as these cameras. Looks to me like the big two have caught up price wise.



  
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