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Feb 25, 2014 14:52 |  #31

pwm2 wrote in post #16716926 (external link)
Canon is constantly running around and developing new things or applying for new patents.

The big problem is that it's very hard to know if/when we might see it in a released camera and what research is done for other projects or to keep the skills up, i.e. basic research.

Exactly. From an internal R&D standpoint Canon seems as innovative and forward thinking as any camera manufacturer. But, when it comes to actual marketable products, it's a different reality.


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Feb 25, 2014 15:07 |  #32

FarmerTed1971 wrote in post #16716339 (external link)
Again, wondering why Nikon released its flagship with less than 20MP...

Why is this confusing? The D4s prioritizes ISO quality and speed over resolution.

It's the same reason the 1Dx has less than 20MP. ;)


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Feb 25, 2014 16:18 |  #33

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I think that once you arrive around 20mp the majority of photographers are well satisfied. Personally, I don't want much more MP than the 5DIII has. So I understand the change to a different feature to start improving and competing with other companies.

I am very glad they are concentrating on more usable high ISO. Good move in my opinion.

same here, I am just waiting for a good price drop on the camera, at the same time, I am also thinking of getting the 5D3. Can't really say what I want atm, if the high ISO of the 5D3 was better than the 6D's, it would be a no brainer for me, but based on what I see on the internet, it is the opposite, and that's what's making me think, and rethink... can't really have eveything. Maybe when 5D4 and 6D2 come, I will see what I'm wanting to see. For now, I can't really make a decision...


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Feb 25, 2014 23:15 |  #34

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Why is this confusing? The D4s prioritizes ISO quality and speed over resolution.

It's the same reason the 1Dx has less than 20MP. ;)

Yes, but almost two years after the release of the 1Dx and still LESS MP.
I don't get it. Sorry. I know MP aren't everything, but they are THE marketing buzzword. I just think any new release should be 20+. YMMV


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Feb 25, 2014 23:45 |  #35

Canon does all they can to hide their banding issues (lots and lots of software processing to overcome bad data from the sensor). Going to higher resolutions would most probably make the banding more pronounced again.

So until Canon have fixed their hardware troubles, I don't think they want to step up the resolution.


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Feb 25, 2014 23:59 |  #36

1Dx has a max ISO of 204800, not 510000.




  
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Feb 26, 2014 00:22 |  #37

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1Dx has a max ISO of 204800, not 510000.

And that's usable how?


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Feb 26, 2014 00:28 |  #38

My amplifier goes to 11!!


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Feb 26, 2014 00:31 |  #39

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My amplifier goes to 11!!

Yours too?!?


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Feb 26, 2014 00:45 |  #40

FarmerTed1971 wrote in post #16718159 (external link)
And that's usable how?

I was simply correcting the couple of guys who said it goes to 500k. It can certainly be useful in other types of photography, such as law enforcement or journalism. Just because you don't have a use for it doesn't mean it's not useful.




  
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Feb 26, 2014 00:48 |  #41

Kwirk wrote in post #16718194 (external link)
I was simply correcting the couple of guys who said it goes to 500k.

Official release notes say otherwise:
Native ISO 25600, Extended to ISO 409600


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Feb 26, 2014 00:54 |  #42

FarmerTed1971 wrote in post #16718200 (external link)
Official release notes say otherwise:
Native ISO 25600, Extended to ISO 409600

Thanks to the improved signal-to-noise ratio of the new sensor and powerful noise reduction, the EOS-1D X can shoot at expanded sensitivities down to ISO 50 (L) and up to 102400 (H1), and even 204800 (H2)!

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Feb 26, 2014 01:03 |  #43

Good explanation of "native" vs. "extended" ISO.

http://blog.robertscam​era.com …s-extended/#axzz2uPQeLtg​1 (external link)


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Feb 26, 2014 01:04 |  #44

I think they are saying that the ower ISO range is by scaling up the magnification in the hardware.

Then the extended ISO is by digital scaling of the image in software.


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Feb 26, 2014 03:48 |  #45

FarmerTed1971 wrote in post #16718067 (external link)
Yes, but almost two years after the release of the 1Dx and still LESS MP.
I don't get it. Sorry. I know MP aren't everything, but they are THE marketing buzzword. I just think any new release should be 20+. YMMV

Because the flagship cameras aren't the ones that are generally released for the people wooed by the marketing buzzwords. They are for the working professionals. And the guys that need to shoot at 10fps generally DGAF about 20 MP.

Leave that to the people shopping for the Rebels, 70D, 6D, D3300, D5300, D7100, etc.

For the pros that need/want the high MP, Nikon already has the D800/e, which is a spectacular camera. But I don't see a need to shoot it at 10fps ever.


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