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Does it worth to buy EF 50mm f1.8 to APS-C camera?

 
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Feb 26, 2014 10:12 |  #16

Loved the nifty fifty when I had one. This was shot wide open on my old T1i.

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Feb 26, 2014 10:37 |  #17

GaryD wrote in post #16719044 (external link)
Perhaps my problem with the 50 1.8 is one of talent and vision.

Please don't take this wrong... Prejudice!...;)

You see a little plastic, tiny, cheap gizmo and think 'it can't be good...'.

Is it sharp? No... not the sharpest knife in the block at f1.8.

How does it compare say, with my 24-70 at f2.8? It doesn't fare that well and the bokeh sucks... but the EF 24-70 MkII buys you 24 (yes...) nifties if you are so inclined.

How about the AF? Bzz...bzzz... bzzzzzt! :D Does it work? Yes, if you are patient and understand its quirks. Is it as accurate as the USM in the 24-70? Get out of here!...

HOWEVER...

If all you have is a crop with the 18-55, this is a great lens to step out with.

I have a set of 4 flower photos printed in metallic paper 12x18

2 by the EF 24-70 MkII, one by the Sigma 105 Macro and one by the nifty.

I wouldn't print it if it didn't pass muster... Here it is:

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Feb 26, 2014 11:10 |  #18

Thank you very much for your answers!

I read your opinions about the 50mm and i also read some buyers reviews from amazon.co.uk which they said that plastic mount stuck on the camera body and they couldn't remove the lens! This one scared me enough and i think i will drop the idea for the 50mm!
So the next on the line is the 40mm :P More expensive but most reviews were positive.

I have a Sigma 18-200 which i want to replace and my plan is to buy a prime with good IQ and a medium zoom such as EF-S 18-55 IS II for all around lens.
What do you think?
Do you have any other lenses to suggest ?(reasonably cheap)

Thank you all again for your answers, they were very helpful!

And btw: MakisM1 and Kwirk those are very beautiful photos! I hope some day to learn and shoot photographs like these!

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Feb 26, 2014 11:19 |  #19

stratos_k wrote in post #16719259 (external link)
Thank you very much for your answers!

I read your opinions about the 50mm and i also read some buyers reviews from amazon.co.uk which they said that plastic mount stuck on the camera body and they couldn't remove the lens! This one scared me enough and i think i will drop the idea for the 50mm!
So the next on the line is the 40mm :P More expensive but most reviews were positive.

I have a Sigma 18-200 which i want to replace and my plan is to buy a prime with good IQ and a medium zoom such as EF-S 18-55 IS II for all around lens.
What do you think?
Do you have any other lenses to suggest ?(reasonably cheap)

Thank you all again for your answers, they were very helpful!

And btw: MakisM1 and Kwirk those are very beautiful photos! I hope some day to learn and shoot photographs like these!

Kind regards
Stratos

There is a plastic tab or 'lip' on the nifty that is a bit sensitive. You have to be careful in aligning the lens properly before you mount it. There have been a few reports when the tab got chewed up and then the user could not remove the lens. But keep in mind that this is probably the most sold lens in history... :D

The MkI version of this lens has a metal mount, which avoids the problem. It keeps all the other problem though. Optically they are identical. If you can find one, buy it... that's what I'd do...

The EF 40 mm is an f2.8. Definitely sharper, but it will not get you the shallow depth of field.

The new EF-S 18-55 STM I understand is a different and better optical design than its predecessor. However, it will not be different in terms of DOF than your Sigma. Why bother?


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Feb 26, 2014 16:56 |  #20

stratos_k wrote in post #16719259 (external link)
Thank you very much for your answers!

I read your opinions about the 50mm and i also read some buyers reviews from amazon.co.uk which they said that plastic mount stuck on the camera body and they couldn't remove the lens! This one scared me enough and i think i will drop the idea for the 50mm!
So the next on the line is the 40mm :P More expensive but most reviews were positive.

I have a Sigma 18-200 which i want to replace and my plan is to buy a prime with good IQ and a medium zoom such as EF-S 18-55 IS II for all around lens.
What do you think?
Do you have any other lenses to suggest ?(reasonably cheap)

Thank you all again for your answers, they were very helpful!

And btw: MakisM1 and Kwirk those are very beautiful photos! I hope some day to learn and shoot photographs like these!

Kind regards
Stratos

What is it that you don't like about the Sigma 18-200?


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Feb 26, 2014 23:02 as a reply to  @ vsocks's post |  #21

If I were able to go back and do it again, I wouldn't have bought the nifty. Do you have real use for super slow handheld shutters of non moving subjects like museum photographs where flash is not allowed? Then stick to IS lenses. Otherwise for the price of an 18-55 IS and 50/1.8, just get the Tamron 17-50 non VC. As mentioned before the nifty needs to be stopped down to 2.8 to be sharp enough and have enough DOF to have reasonable odds of actually getting the subject inside the DOF, so you are not losing anything with the Tamron.

If IS is important, get the 18-55 but pair it with a used 30/1.4 non art or 35/2 non IS.


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Feb 27, 2014 00:58 |  #22

FEChariot wrote in post #16720765 (external link)
If I were able to go back and do it again, I wouldn't have bought the nifty. Do you have real use for super slow handheld shutters of non moving subjects like museum photographs where flash is not allowed? Then stick to IS lenses. Otherwise for the price of an 18-55 IS and 50/1.8, just get the Tamron 17-50 non VC. As mentioned before the nifty needs to be stopped down to 2.8 to be sharp enough and have enough DOF to have reasonable odds of actually getting the subject inside the DOF, so you are not losing anything with the Tamron.

If IS is important, get the 18-55 but pair it with a used 30/1.4 non art or 35/2 non IS.

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Feb 27, 2014 01:11 |  #23

FEChariot wrote in post #16720765 (external link)
As mentioned before the nifty needs to be stopped down to 2.8 to be sharp enough and have enough DOF to have reasonable odds of actually getting the subject inside the DOF, so you are not losing anything with the Tamron.

The nifty is perfectly usable wide open. And re: the DOF point, why then do you have an 85/1.8 and the 30 1.4?

Although I do agree with your recommendation of the Tamron 17-50 (in fact, I personally see no point to the 40 2.8 other than size because of the Tamron and other similar zooms)


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Feb 27, 2014 01:24 |  #24

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What is it that you don't like about the Sigma 18-200?

Well it's not from personal experience. Most reviews are negative, plus 2-3 people i asked about this lens and told me to better use it as a paperweight :confused:.
From my little knowledge about lenses (what i have read from the internet and photography books), superzooms don't have a good image quality. At least the cheap ones, like Sigma. On the other hand primes are good choices for image quality. And in my head i have made the connection "good image quality=primes, go for them!". So i think it's a good idea to carry a prime in my bag with another medium zoom. Probably i'm wrong... :oops: That's why i am asking you guys! :lol:
What i am looking is a decent lens with good image quality (reasonably cheap ) to fit on my shiny new 600d :D:D

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Feb 27, 2014 09:00 |  #25

Strato,

Stick to your Sigma and don't listen to the internet gurus. Most of their wisdom comes from something they read on the Internet... I don't have personal experience with the Sigma, I do own a Canon EF-S 18-200 and still use it on my 60D (as a matter of fact the Σ 8-16/EF-S 18-200/60D are going to NYC in the next few weeks!...).

The lens, like any other, has limitations. ONCE YOU RUN INTO THE LIMITATIONS you will know what to do.

The nifty is a very inexpensive lens to learn the basics about DOF control and bokeh (such as it has...). No Tamron f2.8 (or any other f2.8) will give you the same DOF control.

IS is irrelevant for DOF control.

...and here is another example, where I tried to make read a different story through sharpness/DOF. :D

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If you want f2.8, sharpness and IS get the EF-S 17-55, but forget DOF. Forget inexpensive too...

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Feb 27, 2014 10:09 |  #26

The 50/1.8 is a "short telephoto" lens on your 600D. It is not a "standard/normal" lens on a crop sensor camera. If you are shooting portraits, for example, it might be just what you want. If you are looking for a "standard/normal" general purpose lens, you might want to look elsewhere.

It is Canon's cheapest lens. Surprisingly capable optically. But otherwise it's fairly obvious why the lens is inexpensive... It's very plasticky, has iffy autofocus (slow, noisy, erratic), no focus scale, practically unusable for manual focus... Heck it even needs an adapter (at extra cost) to fit the matching lens hood (also at more extra cost). If sharpness is critical, it needs to be stopped down slightly (same is true of the 50/1.4... and, for that matter, most lenses).

Still, for someone who wants to experiment with and learn to use a larger aperture prime and won't be using it a whole lot, it can be a great entry level lens. There's no arguing the value, since you can get good shots with it.

40/2.8 STM is a bit more expensive, is more compact, has better AF, is sharper wide open, but is a stop or so slower. On a crop camera such as your 600D, it acts as a "very short telephoto".

35/2 is another alternative and comes in two flavors... The old one without USM or IS and is a bit more expensive than the 40/2.8. Or the new one with both IS and USM, that's considerably more expensive. There is also the 35/1.4L and Sigma 35/1.4, but those are both rather pricey. A 35mm lens is sort of a "long standard/normal" lens on a crop sensor camera.

Canon 24/1.4L USM, 24/2.8, 24/2.8 IS USM, 28/1.8 USM, 28/2.8, or Sigma 30/1.4 all are more typical "slightly wide normal" and "standard/normal" lenses on a crop sensor camera.

If still looking at 50mm? Well the Canon 50/1.4 is an upgrade over the 50/1.8 in most respects other than image quality. It's got better IQ, too... but that's more subtle. Mostly it's better built, faster and more accurate focusing... Of course it's also more expensive. There are also the Sigma 50/1.4 that sells for about the same price as the Canon but is much larger and heavier... Plus there's the recently announced, not yet widely available the new Sigma 50/1.4 "Art" that's expected to cost roughly 3X as much... Or the Canon 50/1.2L, also rather pricey.

Rumor has it that Canon will be introducing a new 50mm this year. There's been a lot of speculation that it will have IS and updated USM, which would fall in line with the 24mm, 28mm and 35mm primes they introduced last year. Some think it will be an f1.8 lens. Personally I think it more likely that it will be either an update to the 50/1.4, or an entirely new design such as an f2.0. I just can't see Canon adding USM and IS to their most entry-level model... Essentially killing it off as an entry-level lens since it will have to sell for 3X or 4X as much. On the other hand, maybe they will take the 50/1.8 more upscale and the 40/2.8 STM will be the entry level model in the future. But, hey, any new Canon 50mm just rumors at this point. I'm not holding my breath. We've been hearing rumors about an expected upgrade to the 50/1.4 for as long as I can remember and have been using Canon (over 12 years now).


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Feb 27, 2014 13:35 |  #27

Hello!

@MakisM1: So you suggest to keep the Sigma and if i want a prime to experiment, then i should take the 50mm? To be honest, Sigma was a rush decision when i owned the 400d and i didn't had a clue about lenses. I thought that the "big zoom" rocks! Then i read the reviews and got advices from the gurus and i got disappointed!
@amfoto1: I have read about the crop factor on APS-C sensors and i know that the 35mm prime would be the equal to the 50mm on film or full frame cameras (ideal choice), but the cost is too high for me. The best i can afford is roughly the 40mm.

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Feb 27, 2014 13:57 |  #28

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@MakisM1: So you suggest to keep the Sigma and if i want a prime to experiment, then i should take the 50mm? To be honest, Sigma was a rush decision when i owned the 400d and i didn't had a clue about lenses. I thought that the "big zoom" rocks! Then i read the reviews and got advices from the gurus and i got disappointed!
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Well the Sigma 18-200 may not be the Canon 18-200, but here are some example comparisons:

EF 70-200 MkII vs EF-S 18-200 MkII 100% crop

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Yes, there are valid reasons to buy the MkII brothers, but until you get there... stay with the Sigma.

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Feb 27, 2014 14:19 |  #29

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The nifty is perfectly usable wide open. And re: the DOF point, why then do you have an 85/1.8 and the 30 1.4?


What I mean by that is that the nifty is inconsistant and my copy has been to Canon for calibration. Its not front focus always, its not back focusing always either. Its all over the map at any subject distance. So to increase my hit rate success, I stop down with it to give me be better odds of the focus plane containing the subject.

Clearly from Roger's article:
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All lenses are inconsistant to an extent. However, I don't see the inconsistancies with my 30/1.4 and 85/1.8 (or for that matter my 50/1.4 or 135/2 either) that I see with the nifty fifty.


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Feb 27, 2014 17:40 |  #30

FEChariot wrote in post #16722205 (external link)
What I mean by that is that the nifty is inconsistant and my copy has been to Canon for calibration. Its not front focus always, its not back focusing always either. Its all over the map at any subject distance. So to increase my hit rate success, I stop down with it to give me be better odds of the focus plane containing the subject.

Ok, i understand what you mean now :)

Try the mk1 nifty if you want a more consistent version, it actually does work better.


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