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Feb 26, 2014 10:18 |  #1

Matthews compact reverse stand:
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …7486_Reverse_St​and_7.html (external link)

I expect that most of my needs for a boom arm will be inside, but I might occasionally want a bit of reach outside with the compact stands, a 580EX and QBox.


edit: I am also purchasing this backdrop and can use the stands that come with it to hold a boom arm.

Ravelli ABS 10' background stand:
http://www.amazon.com …?ie=UTF8&m=A17W​6NLJ3OBMCK (external link)

Heck, while I have your attention. Tell me what else I want to pick up (stand related) while I am already going to be spending my days hiding from my wife in the dog house. I essentially have nothing along these lines.


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Feb 26, 2014 12:59 |  #2

sorry for my impatience, but I wasn't really planning to include this in my purchase today, so any direction would be appreciated.

i was thinking this might do the trick?

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …_Boom_Assembly_​Black.html (external link)

a video at their site says it fits 19-28mm poles, but i can't seem to find the size poles included with the above stands. Obviously I would only be able to use it without the counter weight with the compact poles, other than that, I'm kinda clueless.


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Feb 26, 2014 13:17 |  #3

The weight of the Manfrotto Boom Arm is 12.5lbs. The Mathews stand can support a weight of 11lbs. I would not recommend this.

I have one of these Mathews stands, and I would not put a boom arm on them. You would need a sandbag to keep it from falling over and then it wouldn't be as portable option. I would get a VAL before I got a boom arm for the Mathews stand.


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Feb 26, 2014 13:27 |  #4

Heath wrote in post #16719579 (external link)
The weight of the Manfrotto Boom Arm is 12.5lbs. The Mathews stand can support a weight of 11lbs. I would not recommend this.

I have one of these Mathews stands, and I would not put a boom arm on them. You would need a sandbag to keep it from falling over and then it wouldn't be as portable option. I would get a VAL before I got a boom arm for the Mathews stand.

VAL?

Edit: I got it. I think it's the second time I've asked this!




  
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Feb 26, 2014 13:51 |  #5

Heath wrote in post #16719579 (external link)
The weight of the Manfrotto Boom Arm is 12.5lbs. The Mathews stand can support a weight of 11lbs. I would not recommend this.

yes, but the counter weight is 10 pounds, leaving the rest of the materials at 2.5#. My 580 is 1 pound 2 ounces and the Qbox and bracket can't be that heavy. I have smaller weights to use to counter that. I'm thinking that set up would be around 5-7 pounds. This will be my "go-to" set up for the time being.

The Ravelli has a max weight of 20 pounds for times that I need more. Granted, I'll be without a backdrop, but I can likely deal with that situation if it comes up on location. I have a backdrop holder built into my studio ceiling.

please tell me if i'm wrong, i can take it.

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VAL?

Edit: I got it. I think it's the second time I've asked this!

so what is it? :D

like i said above , i'm kinda clueless over here.

edit: VAL? - http://www.adorama.com​/PAINT333.html (external link)


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Feb 26, 2014 14:47 |  #6

hes gone wrote in post #16719659 (external link)
=he's gone;16719659]yes, but the counter weight is 10 pounds, leaving the rest of the materials at 2.5#. My 580 is 1 pound 2 ounces and the Qbox and bracket can't be that heavy. I have smaller weights to use to counter that. I'm thinking that set up would be around 5-7 pounds. This will be my "go-to" set up for the time being.

The Ravelli has a max weight of 20 pounds for times that I need more. Granted, I'll be without a backdrop, but I can likely deal with that situation if it comes up on location. I have a backdrop holder built into my studio ceiling.

please tell me if i'm wrong, i can take it.

so what is it? :D

like i said above , i'm kinda clueless over here.

edit: VAL? - http://www.adorama.com​/PAINT333.html (external link)

Voice Activated Lightstand/Boom (i.e. an assistant). :)




  
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Feb 26, 2014 14:50 |  #7

frugivore wrote in post #16719756 (external link)
Voice Activated Lightstand/Boom (i.e. an assistant). :)

lulz

that's what my quick google turned up, I was afraid to stick my neck out though.

I'm definitely working alone most of the time.


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Feb 26, 2014 16:50 |  #8

Dear HE’S GONE,

Everyone has to determine what is best for their individual needs & what they are comfortable with.

Here are a few potential speedlight boom options for you, I have utilized for many years when I want a quick & compact location setup (via car or occasional air, with photo-shoot site safety always being priority one for me)…

Option A-
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …_Boom_Assembly_​Black.html (external link)
-you are correct about the products specs i.e. 12.5lbs - 10lb counter weight = net 2.5lbs; it is very light weight.
-advantage is it’s compactness for travel (i.e. 3-sections: shortest approx 28”. I mostly only use 2 of its 3-sections)
-find it more suitable for mating with something like a Manfrotto 7.75ft lightstand [Mfr# 1052BAC]
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …AC_Alu_Air_Cush​ioned.html (external link)

Option B-
For even more lighter-weight/more compact set up than Option A, I use this combination:
(for Manfrotto Nano Mfr#5001B compact stands, or Lowel 8ft Mfr# UN-55 compact stands; with folded LOA 19”-21.5”)
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …01B_Nano_Black_​Light.html (external link) (compact, but really a flimsy stand)
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …5_Uni_TO_Light_​Stand.html (external link) (still compact - much firmer/stronger & higher than the Manfrotto Nano)
connected in this order…
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …KL_Double_Ball_​Joint.html (external link) (to lightstnad)
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …386B_386B_Nano_​Clamp.html (external link) (for holding Lastolite pole/”boom”)
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …_extending_hand​le_28.html (external link) (to hold speedlight & if desired modifier such as snoot, grid, softbox, stripbox, etc.)
I find my Matthews/SME & Avenger Grip Arms (20" or 40") far too heavy for both the stand & travel.

OPTION C, D, etc:
Also, don’t forget the benefit of the established, simple & versatile grips like these, as a compact substitute for a boom, for placing speedlights (as well as reflectors, gobos, etc).…
Manfrotto Justin Clamp [Mfr# 175F]:
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …_Justin_Spring_​Clamp.html (external link) (designed by Joe McNally & his friend Justin)
or
Mathews Mini Matthellini Clamp [Mfr# 420112-S15:
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …ni_Matthellini_​Clamp.html (external link)
Good luck and remember sometimes less is more.

Mary

P.S.
A more suitable stand for booming (particularly if there is a chance in the future, you will be also utilizing strobe lights), is this great value for money boom - the Manfrotto Combi-Boom Stand [Mfr# 420]:
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …20B_Combi_Boom_​Stand.html (external link)
with a load capacity much greater than the product specs indicate and have no hesitation in booming my Profoto D1-500Air’s with large Profoto light modifiers.


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Feb 26, 2014 17:04 |  #9

The mini-stand is way too light duty for a boom. It will bend the stand even if its a light boom with a light setup at the end.

I rarely consider using even a 20" grip arm on a stand smaller than 13 foot.

If you need to have a light hanging off the side of a light stand you are way past portable.
10 foot stand, 40" grip arm, sand bags, etc. are about the minimum outside.


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Feb 26, 2014 20:09 as a reply to  @ dmward's post |  #10

Mary and David, thank you.

Rather than spend my afternoon looking for one last piece to the puzzle, I was able to cook up a pile of greens for my family and come back to exactly what I needed to know.

I even took some pics of the greens. They are called Cabbage Collards around here.

- brian

thanks to you other guys also. :D

even if this rig will hold up my cardboard and foam core, i'll be happy.


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Feb 26, 2014 20:39 |  #11

Brian, here's what I use to boom speedlites with umbrella modifiers:
40" grip arm with head that fits on top of the light stand.
I use a 10 foot stand minimum and make sure a leg is under the grip arm.
mount the speedlite on the end of the grip arm with an umbrella bracket. Mount the speedlite via a Gordon mount. Its a piece of plastic with a velcro strap mounted on a spigot that fits into the umbrella bracket. Then I can mount the umbrella frame modifier onto the bracket. Unless I'm outside I don't bother with a sand bag but also don't extend the grip arm more than about 20 inches.


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Feb 26, 2014 20:58 |  #12

Hey HE’S GONE/Brian,

LIGHT… yes, the best things in our often self-complicated life are free(natural light) - for those who want to take the time & soul to experience.
As we all know, rather than all the gear, the most important ingredient is: YOU & YOUR precious sight (photographer).

To use a few borrowed concepts from those Renaissance painters and seasoned photographers like Joe McNally/Cliff Mautner/David Ziser/Mark Wallace/Jerry Ghionis, etc…(& after observing virtually POTN guys I respect like DMWARD/David, JCOLMAN etc.)…
For any image - light quality, direction & color.
For portraits/events - light, composition & moment.

We are all on that lifetime of photographic continuous learning curve.
Happy continued shooting…

Mary
P.S. I didn't see that "dog house" in the back yard, so you maybe safe!


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Feb 26, 2014 21:24 |  #13

dmward wrote in post #16720496 (external link)
Brian, here's what I use to boom speedlites with umbrella modifiers:
40" grip arm with head that fits on top of the light stand.
I use a 10 foot stand minimum and make sure a leg is under the grip arm.
mount the speedlite on the end of the grip arm with an umbrella bracket. Mount the speedlite via a Gordon mount. Its a piece of plastic with a velcro strap mounted on a spigot that fits into the umbrella bracket. Then I can mount the umbrella frame modifier onto the bracket. Unless I'm outside I don't bother with a sand bag but also don't extend the grip arm more than about 20 inches.

you know, I just googled { "Gordon mount" umbrella } and this thread was the third hit! Crazy. but I did find it, and remember you posting it before. Looks very handy.

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Hey HE’S GONE/Brian,

LIGHT… yes, the best things in our often self-complicated life are free(natural light) - for those who want to take the time & soul to experience.
As we all know, rather than all the gear, the most important ingredient is: YOU & YOUR precious sight (photographer).

To use a few borrowed concepts from those Renaissance painters and seasoned photographers like Joe McNally/Cliff Mautner/David Ziser/Mark Wallace/Jerry Ghionis, etc…(& after observing virtually POTN guys I respect like DMWARD/David, JCOLMAN etc.)…
For any image - light quality, direction & color.
For portraits/events - light, composition & moment.

We are all on that lifetime of photographic continuous learning curve.
Happy continued shooting…

Mary
P.S. I didn't see that "dog house" in the back yard, so you maybe safe!

Man after taking a look at your list of gadgets I would certainly be out in the cold. :LOL:

Thanks for the inspirational words. Indeed, having poked around here a bit has rekindled my love for photography. Having folks who are willing to share their experience is invaluable, I literally would be lost without having access to this site and y'alls brains.

Shoot, I'm showing one of my old friend/photography vendor a few things lately!

Super long time gone edit:

Just trying to add a photo to my gallery without it being in a new post. Weird, I know. Hoping it will allow me to post it in a PM.


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Feb 26, 2014 23:43 |  #14

Photoflex reflector arm works well as a light boom with the added benefit of reflector holder when needed. They have a compact version as well.

Link at B&H (external link)

Also look at Impact and one from Midwest Photo Exchange (its called lumopro, i think). Good for small units/speedlights




  
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Feb 27, 2014 06:42 |  #15

Here is the Gordon Flash strap.
http://www.lightenupan​dshoot.com …07-the-gordon-flash-strap (external link)

I have a few myself, but if you have the time, you could probably make your own.


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