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Feb 27, 2014 14:45 |  #16

gonzogolf wrote in post #16722255 (external link)
You are seriously missing his point. A lot of people who get a zoom will stand in one spot and use the zoom function to frame a photo, not realizing that doing so may be altering the scene in significant ways. I have no issue with zooms, I have a pretty full set of them, but I think its important to realize what each focal length (and the distance you are working at because of that focal length) does to the image you are making.

the same can be said of prime users who "foot zoom" or as airfrog spins it changes his vision to the FOV of the lens.

obviously there are more framing options with a zoom. obviously.


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Feb 27, 2014 14:46 |  #17

jcammn wrote in post #16722242 (external link)
Nah, primes offer that same opportunity. The photos are just crisper and brighter.

and filled with creamy bokey :D


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Feb 27, 2014 14:48 as a reply to  @ post 16722258 |  #18

No I don't foce anything. I can truly see....;)

It's not a spin. It's knowing how I see as a photographer and finder the gear that matches that instead of thinking I have to have all the F/Ls. I only really need the ones that matches the way I see. Proof is always in the work.

BTW I don't foot zoom....Don't need to when you have vision.




  
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Feb 27, 2014 14:49 |  #19

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My experience. at least with beginners, is that zooms make people lazy. They do not move around enough, do not look for the correct perspective.

so if you are using a 50mm prime you can get "the correct perspective"? when I started photography most beginners only had a 50mm lens. are you saying beginners then were at an advantage over beginners today with an 18-55 zoom?

interesting.


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Feb 27, 2014 14:50 |  #20

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Typically I'll pick a subject and tailor the composition to the lens I have on and that's that.

But there is so much more to a photo than just the primary subject. You also have all of the supporting elements that are/can be in the frame. Each time you take a photo, you probably have a clear vision of exactly what you want to communicate in that particular image. Then maybe the next time you press the shutter, you have something different in mind - you want to show something differently than you did in the previous frame.

It is more than a matter of simply having the subject fill x amount of the frame. When you move closer, or further away, the other elements in the frame change, as far as their relationship to the subject is concerned.

Below is an example of how different focal lengths can be used to show something in an entirely different way.

I shot the first image at 100mm. My goal was to show the subject - the buck - within the context of the majestic mountain range in which he lives.

The second image was taken from the same exact position, just 7 seconds later. My goal with this image was to show a head-shot portrait, fairly isolated against a bluish natural background. I shot this at 400mm.

During the 20 minutes or so I spent with this buck, I shot many hundreds of photographs, using many different focal lengths, ranging from 100mm all the way up to 800mm. And I created many images that have a totally different look and feel than any of the other images.

Many, many "visions" can arise from one single encounter. Each vision requires a particular POV and a particular focal length.


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Feb 27, 2014 14:54 |  #21

gonzogolf wrote in post #16722255 (external link)
You are seriously missing his point. A lot of people who get a zoom will stand in one spot and use the zoom function to frame a photo, not realizing that doing so may be altering the scene in significant ways. I have no issue with zooms, I have a pretty full set of them, but I think its important to realize what each focal length (and the distance you are working at because of that focal length) does to the image you are making.

Fair enough but photography is usually season to taste, not measure to perfection.


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Feb 27, 2014 14:54 |  #22

ed rader wrote in post #16722278 (external link)
so if you are using a 50mm prime you can get "the correct perspective"? when I started photography most beginners only had a 50mm lens. are you saying beginners then were at an advantage over beginners today with an 18-55 zoom?

interesting.

Gibson would say that the beginner would have the advantage. ;) Gibson only shoots with what he refers to as a normal lens.




  
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Feb 27, 2014 14:58 as a reply to  @ Tom Reichner's post |  #23

Thanks Tom. let me provide my own examples.

at 400mm....

IMAGE: http://erader.zenfolio.com/img/s8/v82/p1948872674-5.jpg

at 200mm. same animal and pose. roughly the same distance....

IMAGE: http://erader.zenfolio.com/img/s5/v130/p2131551231-5.jpg

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Feb 27, 2014 14:59 |  #24

jcammn wrote in post #16722283 (external link)
Fair enough but photography is usually season to taste, not measure to perfection.

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Feb 27, 2014 15:00 |  #25

jcammn wrote in post #16722283 (external link)
Fair enough but photography is usually season to taste, not measure to perfection.

And therein lies the reason so much photography is inedible.




  
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Feb 27, 2014 16:31 |  #26

ed rader wrote in post #16722299 (external link)
Thanks Tom. let me provide my own examples.

at 400mm....

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at 200mm. same animal and pose. roughly the same distance....

QUOTED IMAGE

He must be stuffed for you to run round the front that quickly :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Feb 27, 2014 16:43 |  #27

airfrogusmc wrote in post #16722254 (external link)
I don't change lenses I try to see a different photograph appropriate for the F/L. For my personal work I have shot with a 35mm lens on a FF rangefinder camera for the last year and a half and I don't miss shots I just get shots that are different from the ones I would with say a 50 or an 85mm lens. I tend to see at a 35mm FoV.

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I find it interesting that a guy like yourself with all those great telephoto lenses has been using a 35mm lens for this length of time. I recall seeing some of your street shots in uptown. I guess those were taken with the 35mm.




  
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Feb 27, 2014 16:48 |  #28

OP,

It's all about perspective. 28mm and 85mm are vastly different focal lengths. Each one can present a very different looking photograph.

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Feb 27, 2014 16:53 |  #29

I too have seen airfrogusmc's work, and frankly some of it leaves me speechless in awe. It's clear to me that he is an accomplished photographer well able to use his tools of trade. For many, I'd agree that constraining oneself to a particular focal length was a bad idea, indeed I often recommend zooms to beginners and rail against the null concept of "foot-zooming".

But here's an interesting thing. Once you reach a certain stage of competency, yes, you can visualise shots in advance and achieve whatever you can imagine, within the constraints of context and equipment. But, you can't achieve anything that you cannot imagine. Here, I believe there is a case for imposing an essentially arbitrary constraint (in this case, focal length), in order to expand one's imagination. Again, this is not something that I'd recommend for anyone not very well versed in the basics.

Forgive me if I am leaping to defend someone who may need no defense, or if my reasoning is not his, but I do see that there are circumstances where a self-imposed constraint can be useful; just as there are times when it is a pointless, and sometimes misleading obstacle.




  
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Feb 27, 2014 16:54 |  #30

Yes for the last year and a half all of my personal work has been shot with a Leica MM and 35 lux FLE.

I use the Leica on an occasional annual report shoot that B&W is what the piece will be.

Most of my commercial advertising color work is shot with my 5DIIs. I only own 4 Canon lenses.
24L
35L (most used)
85L
and 200 2L (favorite Canon lens)

I will be switching completely over to Leica M in the next few years. Even for my professional work.




  
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