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Mar 07, 2014 14:40 |  #16

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I think it's mostly because they take a long time to rewrite each image, FPS is abysmal for most if not all of them, it also has the added negative effect of lowering battery life. That said, I've viewed a lot if landscape photos from them and they're nothing short of jaw dropping. I've been considering picking up. Merrill DP for a while now.

Is there a particular camera model that stands out amongst the others? I assume Sigma is the only one using this sensor type?

Would be nice if Canon actually did something similar.
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Mar 07, 2014 14:44 |  #17

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Is there a particular camera model that stands out amongst the others? I assume Sigma is the only one using this sensor type?

Would be nice if Canon actually did something similar.
http://www.dpreview.co​m …-style-multi-layer-sensor (external link)

I'm honestly not sure. If I were to buy one I'd get one of the small fixed lens ones since I'd only be using it for tripod landscape work (which I barely ever do). They can be bought for much less than a good landscape lens and based on what I've seen, could offer you more if you're patient.


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Mar 07, 2014 14:47 |  #18

If Sigma comes out with a Foveon FF mirrorless like the Sony a7 series, they'd be selling a LOT more than trying to push their own mount...


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Mar 07, 2014 14:54 |  #19

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16741732 (external link)
I'm honestly not sure. If I were to buy one I'd get one of the small fixed lens ones since I'd only be using it for tripod landscape work (which I barely ever do). They can be bought for much less than a good landscape lens and based on what I've seen, could offer you more if you're patient.

I found this an interesting read, and was a bit disappointed with the camera's high ISO performance. If Sigma could button up a few issues, like price and software, it would be a compelling purchase. Of course this is a few years old now, and I will continue to look for other articles more recent.

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Mar 07, 2014 14:56 |  #20

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70MP FF format, 3.1µm pixels, with or without microlenses, no AA filter etc,available as monochrome. So far it's a Nikon mount and some programming may be required:D No idea on price...

The 35mm camera itself cost 14K without capture card and lens. Leica M9 seems a bargain.


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Mar 07, 2014 14:56 |  #21

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I found this an interesting read, and was a bit disappointed with the camera's high ISO performance. If Sigma could button up a few issues, like price and software, it would be a compelling purchase.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com …as/sigma_sd1_re​view.shtml (external link)

Yeah, that's why they don't sell well, they're a very specialized series of cameras. They excel at low ISO tripod work and nlare borderline useless for everything else. Still, landscapes from them are awesome.


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Mar 07, 2014 16:16 |  #22

Phase One IQ260 Achromatic.



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Mar 07, 2014 16:34 |  #23

ΟP is it the Bayer filter that you are trying to avoid or something else?

There is a new Sigma with a Foveon sensor but all of them have come down in price.

SD1 = $2299, SD15=989, DP1/2/3=$999

The new Quattro is coming up but no price.


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Mar 07, 2014 18:48 |  #24

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Hi guys, I am looking for a camera with full size CCD/CMOS sensor but without embedding RGB microfilters. It will be applied for scientific research.

However, I only found this type of camera with tiny sensor in the market. I need high resolution for my research purpose, full size (35mm) is the minimum, prefer high IR sensitive. Large sensor is even better.

You don't say what kind of research you are doing, but for high-quality scientific imaging, there are several companies you can look at: Princeton Instruments, Apogee, Andor, PCO, and some others. Their cameras tend to be designed for low read noise and dark current (often by including thermoelectric coolers), high quantum efficiency and high dynamic range. Most will be monochrome, with color filters sometimes available as an add-on. Most come with F-mount standard, but sometimes there are other options.

Since you want good IR sensitivity, you could look at this from Princeton Instruments (warning: PDF data sheet)
http://www.princetonin​struments.com …elon_rev_N5_8.2​1.2012.pdf (external link)
with up to 95% quantum efficiency in the near infrared. (Note that the trick that is typically used to reach these high QEs, backside illumination, can lead to etalon patterns in the near infrared, and the sensors must be specifically engineered to avoid this.) If you want to image at wavelengths above 1 micron or so, you will want to look at InGaAs sensors.




  
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Mar 07, 2014 20:29 |  #25

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The 35mm camera itself cost 14K without capture card and lens. Leica M9 seems a bargain.

Niche market = niche price:D


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Mar 07, 2014 21:08 |  #26

Seriously, what the OP is describing is the Phase One iXA system.



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Mar 07, 2014 22:46 |  #27

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You don't say what kind of research you are doing, but for high-quality scientific imaging, there are several companies you can look at: Princeton Instruments, Apogee, Andor, PCO, and some others. Their cameras tend to be designed for low read noise and dark current (often by including thermoelectric coolers), high quantum efficiency and high dynamic range. Most will be monochrome, with color filters sometimes available as an add-on. Most come with F-mount standard, but sometimes there are other options.

Since you want good IR sensitivity, you could look at this from Princeton Instruments (warning: PDF data sheet)
http://www.princetonin​struments.com …elon_rev_N5_8.2​1.2012.pdf (external link)
with up to 95% quantum efficiency in the near infrared. (Note that the trick that is typically used to reach these high QEs, backside illumination, can lead to etalon patterns in the near infrared, and the sensors must be specifically engineered to avoid this.) If you want to image at wavelengths above 1 micron or so, you will want to look at InGaAs sensors.

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Mar 07, 2014 22:59 |  #28

I'm surprised it took that long to say it. Chris hit the nail on the head. If 35mm is the smallest size, absolutely, then you're really in the market for the Phase One. If you truly need high resolution, B&W only, then you'll have to spend some bucks... that's not an everyday camera. As you acknowledge, it's a scientific instrument.


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Mar 08, 2014 03:42 |  #29

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I'm surprised it took that long to say it. Chris hit the nail on the head. If 35mm is the smallest size, absolutely, then you're really in the market for the Phase One. If you truly need high resolution, B&W only, then you'll have to spend some bucks... that's not an everyday camera. As you acknowledge, it's a scientific instrument.

OP mentioned the Leica Mono cost "8 grands" and then went on to say that the machine camera at 14k made the Leica look like a bargain... it doesn't take a lot of guess work to determine that he wants something that's cheaper, not even more expensive.
I hang around on medium format forums, so I've seen a bunch of terrifyingly detailed images from the IQ160 acro, but a $30k back + $6k or more for the camera and lens makes the previous options look like a drop in the bucket. Also, no live view.


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