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Mar 05, 2014 18:34 |  #1

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Mar 06, 2014 04:31 |  #2

I take my hat off to those able to use their imagination, so well done but I'd crop the huge dark area at the top a little to conform with the rule of thirds.


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Mar 06, 2014 05:01 |  #3

I think the footprints or tracks in the distance should be smaller and closer together.


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Mar 06, 2014 08:36 as a reply to  @ Qbx's post |  #4

I think the footprints or tracks in the distance should be smaller and closer together

Aah...they're deer tracks...have you never watched their movement in the wild? :rolleyes:


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Mar 08, 2014 02:42 |  #5

Woodworker wrote in post #16738175 (external link)
I take my hat off to those able to use their imagination, so well done but I'd crop the huge dark area at the top a little to conform with the rule of thirds.

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I'd crop the dark area too, but I have to nitpick about something here. I wouldn't crop it to adhere to the rule of thirds. I'd crop it because there's not a whole lot going on up there, and I don't think that a large blank void benefits this image.

And I feel a little bit bad harping on this, because I actually agree: crop the top. But language influences thought, saying that something is a rule makes people think they have to do it, and then that's further reinforced when people say to do X to an image in order to adhere to the rule.

IMO, that's a little bit backwards, because there are no rules (and even that's sort of a rule). The rule of thirds isn't a mandate to do that, it's a suggestion that doing that can often result in more aesthetically pleasing images. I think people really need to try to get past that, to better understand and explain WHY images are or are not working, without simply citing the "rule". I agree: crop the top. But surely we can find a better way of expressing why the top should be cropped. Telling someone to do something because "it's the rule" doesn't lead to any kind of better understanding.

But yeah, the image. I like it. Beautiful contours and such, I love the contrast, the organic and delicate nature of the landscape constrasts well with the footsteps, thus illustrating a pretty interesting duality: the smallness of mankind's scale within the grandeur of nature, while simultaneously illustrating the effect that persists from man's involvment. Maybe that's a bit too specific, it sort of sounds like I'm some environmentalist nut or something. To explain it more abstractly, this is a picture of what's here, and its relationship to what was here before. It's presence contrasted with absence. I think that's a really freaking cool concept, and it works well here. Personally I think that the highlights are a bit too gray, I think that maybe a bit more postprocessing work could be done. But I love the image, I just think it looks a bit off technically.

Or, at least that's my initial take. Maybe I'm completely wrong here. After all, I don't really have a handle on this stuff myself. But can we please actually start to make more concrete and objective statements that actually CAN be demonstrated to be wrong? Saying that an image adheres to a "rule" is pretty concrete, it's hard to appeal to a rule and then be wrong. But it's easy to appeal to a rule for the sake of following a rule, and then not giving any input on why the image really is or isn't any better.

But yeah..crop the top.




  
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Mar 08, 2014 07:20 |  #6

I can fully accept and indeed agree with your thoughts Clean Gene. I was guilty of not making myself sufficiently clear in meaning the rule - perhaps an unfortunate term - should apply in this instance but not always.

As I have said in some other critiques, I like photographers who aren't afraid to be imaginative and inventive.

I should also state that I'm an old codger in England who first learnt photography way back in the Sixties, so maybe I need cobwebs knocking off me now and again :)


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Mar 08, 2014 07:24 as a reply to  @ Woodworker's post |  #7

Are you guys suggesting that the "sky" portion be deleted all together? :confused:


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Mar 08, 2014 07:29 |  #8

chauncey wrote in post #16743026 (external link)
Are you guys suggesting that the "sky" portion be deleted all together? :confused:

No, I'm certainly not but I'm just suggesting some cropping.


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Mar 08, 2014 08:43 as a reply to  @ Woodworker's post |  #9

Aah...when I print, it's on metal, therefore maintaining standard sizing is something I take into consideration when doing any cropping.
Sooo...what else, beyond part of the sky, would need to go?


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Mar 08, 2014 09:21 |  #10

I like the texture, shapes and tracks in this image. I agree with cropping the sky but I also try to stick with standard sizes. Taking some off the right too would work to meet both objectives. It takes a couple well defined shapes away but those are not the main subjects IMO. It makes the trail a stronger subject.

This image also leaves me with questions. Is it sand or snow? With the dynamic range being so compressed it is hard to tell.


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Mar 08, 2014 11:28 |  #11

If you really have to crop, other than leaving the image as it was originally, perhaps you'll crop a little off the left and a lot off the right but it does spoil a very good image.

I've cropped it to a 4:5 ratio. You could of course crop to 4:6 whichever is the current standard.


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Mar 08, 2014 12:30 |  #12

I'm not a professional but I like the original without any cropping...


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Mar 08, 2014 12:50 |  #13

twincitybulldog wrote in post #16743574 (external link)
I'm not a professional but I like the original without any cropping...

A better option than cropping the sides m'thinks :)


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Mar 08, 2014 13:18 |  #14

I love the picture.....it's so moody and surreal. As to the sky, rather than cropping, could you somehow bring out the visibility of the clouds a bit more?


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Mar 10, 2014 20:44 |  #15

I like this image a lot, I do agree that the sky could stand a little cropping down, but not at the expense of losing any of the foreground. The example given by woodworker eliminates too much of the hilly areas which in my opinion add 'interestingness'.




  
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