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Breakthrough camera, the 6d or sony a7r?

 
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Mar 09, 2014 12:51 |  #181

Each and everyone of you would go for the Sony if the price sticker was right. You would dish out $800 in a heartbeat and love that camera as you would showboat the bad boy you got with great IQ but since the price sucks, you're sticking with Canon. It's alright, it happens.


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Mar 09, 2014 13:33 |  #182

ERJL wrote in post #16745385 (external link)
The thread was greatly needed, though a bit messy imo.

In the final analysis the 6D can hold its head up high next to the Sony offerings. In fact I would not consider the a7/a7r. Rented one and it does have nice IQ, but a slow cumbersome system and noisy! For that little bit more dynamic range, I am not willing to accept the other compromises inherent in the Sony system.

It's not a bad camera, the Sony, just not the uber-camera many claim it is.

at this point, taking size and dynainc range out the equation the 6D is the more practical choice.....but this thread is discussing which camera is the bigger breakthrough camera, not the most practical. Mirrorless cameras will replace DSLR's and while we're very close to acheiving that, we're not there yet....with full frame mirrorless cameras at least.

but in terms of the topic at hand, although the a7r is not the more practical choice, it is the more breakthrough product.

the a7r is a tesla roadster....paradigm shifting product that's beaming with new technology representing the future of the industry. it outperforms it's more traditional breatheren where it matters, but comes with some obvious compromises given the newness of the technolgy, and compactness of it's body.

the 6d is a toyta Avalon. very practical 'bridge' product that offers tons of utility but not necessarily a breakthrough product.


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Mar 09, 2014 14:12 |  #183

Eiro wrote in post #16745627 (external link)
Each and everyone of you would go for the Sony if the price sticker was right. You would dish out $800 in a heartbeat and love that camera as you would showboat the bad boy you got with great IQ but since the price sucks, you're sticking with Canon. It's alright, it happens.

Nope. I'd take an X-T1 over the A7 even if it was $800. Good try generalizing everyone in this thread with your blanket opinion.


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Mar 09, 2014 14:37 |  #184

mystik610 wrote in post #16745702 (external link)
the 6d is a toyta Avalon. very practical 'bridge' product that offers tons of utility but not necessarily a breakthrough product.

Since when did the Avalon have a Supra engine?


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Mar 09, 2014 14:41 |  #185

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Since when did the Avalon have a Supra engine?

Yeah, the better comparison would be to say that the 6D is a Lotus Elise. Does everything the Tesla does only it's more traditional, practical and less full of gimmicks ;)


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Mar 09, 2014 14:51 |  #186

mystik610 wrote in post #16745702 (external link)
the 6d is a toyta Avalon. very practical 'bridge' product that offers tons of utility but not necessarily a breakthrough product.

Toyota Avalon? Are you kidding me...?
I'm new to this forum... are people insane here? LoL
You make it seem as if the 6D is a point and shooot. Crazy.


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Mar 09, 2014 16:45 |  #187
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Eiro wrote in post #16745627 (external link)
Each and everyone of you would go for the Sony if the price sticker was right. You would dish out $800 in a heartbeat and love that camera as you would showboat the bad boy you got with great IQ but since the price sucks, you're sticking with Canon. It's alright, it happens.

Really the price is pretty good.




  
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Mar 09, 2014 16:48 |  #188
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EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16745845 (external link)
Yeah, the better comparison would be to say that the 6D is a Lotus Elise. Does everything the Tesla does only it's more traditional, practical and less full of gimmicks ;)

Not really...the 6d is just a rebadged Honda civic...nothing really new, just affordable. If it cost $2,000 today...it would not sell so it's best innovative feature is it's selling price.




  
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Mar 09, 2014 17:12 |  #189

Ok maybe the a7r is the Tesla Model S, but the 6D is still an Avalon.

The Sony/Tesla is shifting market trends by employing new technologies to push the industry forward.

The Canon/Toyota is a bridge product...Badged to a lower-end product line, and stripped of features to keep from cannibalizing higher end offerings from Lexus. Good car/camera, but simply watered down versions of their more expensive counterparts, and not at all "breakthrough products"


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Mar 09, 2014 17:17 |  #190

mystik610 wrote in post #16746177 (external link)
Ok maybe the a7r is the Tesla Model S, but the 6D is still an Avalon.

The Sony/Tesla is shifting market trends by employing new technologies to push the industry forward.

The Canon/Toyota is a bridge product...Badged to a lower-end product line, and stripped of features to keep from cannibalizing higher end offerings from Lexus. Good car/camera, but simply watered down versions of their more expensive counterparts, and not at all "breakthrough products"


After writing a lengthy response to show how silly it is to say Avalon=6D, I've realized it's just silly to compare a car to a SLR.... Just doesn't add up.


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Mar 09, 2014 17:34 |  #191

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After writing a lengthy response to show how silly it is to say Avalon=6D, I've realized it's just silly to compare a car to a SLR.... Just doesn't add up.

Not really if you think in terms of product positioning. Both cameras and cars are designed with certain specifications and target price point in mind to dictate their positions in the market.

The 6D is a fine camera, and while one could argue that its a breakthrough product from a marketing standpoint, as it offers a lot of features from higher end product lines at a mid-level price point and product line (like the Toyota Avalon), its simply a stripped down version of the 5DIII (like an Avalon is a stripped down Lexus), and not a breakthrough product from a design standpoint.

The Tesla/Sony are leveraging innovation to carve out new market segments, while challenging existing ones. That is the very definition of a breakthrough product.


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Mar 09, 2014 17:55 |  #192
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Hogloff wrote in post #16745434 (external link)
Qualify...for your type of photography. For my type, fine art landscapes, it far exceeds the 6d.

I think you have posted enough about the a7/a7r enough to make it clear that is your preference. This thread is saying that is not the case for all users. Obviously landscapes are not my only photographic interest, nor is that true of all photographers.


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Mar 09, 2014 19:22 |  #193

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16745781 (external link)
Nope. I'd take an X-T1 over the A7 even if it was $800. Good try generalizing everyone in this thread with your blanket opinion.

You're just so cool buttercup. Cheers!


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Mar 09, 2014 21:17 |  #194

For me the a7R has several drawbacks compared to a full-frame SLR. I'm sure EVF's have come a long way in the last couple years, but they still have disadvantages over OVF's (power draw, sensor heat issues, etc.) 36MP is more than my computer can handle for post-processing, the price is high, and Sony's lens assortment isn't all that great. Saying "It's a great camera for landscapes" is simply another way of saying "It has an excellent sensor." Landscape photogs usually aren't all that demanding of camera tech (AF performance, high ISO, TTL metering, exposure metering, etc.)


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Mar 09, 2014 21:25 as a reply to  @ mystik610's post |  #195

Hogloff wrote in post #16746114 (external link)
Not really...the 6d is just a rebadged Honda civic...nothing really new, just affordable. If it cost $2,000 today...it would not sell so it's best innovative feature is it's selling price.

Keep going in circles, 6D was definitely groundbreaking when it came out. Refer to my OP.


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