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Mar 12, 2014 11:27 |  #16

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16753019 (external link)
Since your top two requirements are bang for buck and size and weight, I'd forget the FF DSLRs and pick up a Fuji X-T1 with 18-55, 56/1.2 and wait for the 50-140/2.8.

Still not sold on mirrorless... yet. And I actually like something sizable to heft in my palm. Just don't want an extra kilo to lug around while being a tourist all day.


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Mar 12, 2014 11:31 |  #17

kenwood33 wrote in post #16753060 (external link)
Based on your requirements I would go for 6d + sigma 35 1.4 + canon 135 2

Nice idea - keeps things simple, but definitely want zoom flexibility for the walkaround. Wouldn't want to keep swapping between the 35 and the 85, and will need to go as wide as 24 for buildings etc. Also, the 24-105 is the cheapest component when sold as a kit lens.


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Mar 12, 2014 11:48 |  #18

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No problems with your choices, though I'd rather the 70-200L than the 200L even if it is an f/4 (if you are only going to have only those 3 lenses for awhile). I like the versatility of the zoom too much.

I agree that the 135L might be better for some than the 200L. But if you get the 24-105L, it is close enough in FL - so I'd also rather have the 200L. If you were looking at a 24-70mm, then I could see the 135L.

Still, I'd rather have the zoom.

Groan - I can feel a major wave of indecision coming on ;). But remember, I really don't use telephoto very often, but recognise I need the longer end occasionally, which is why I am still not sold on a 70-200 f4; and feel the options are either:

  • get the 200mm for use as both telephoto and long portrait solution or
  • get the 135 and an extender, which will cover some of the gap from 105 to 200 AND act as a more appropriate long portrait lens AND can extend to 270 which could come in handy.


ps - reality check. This is a real #middleclassproblem. I can remember when I was a lad and was pretty happy with my Yashica with 50mm kit lens and fairly crummy Vivitar 75-205 zoom ;)

Canon 6D: Canon 85mm f/1.8 ~ Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 ~ 70-300mm f/4.0 - f/5.6 ~ Carl Zeiss 50mm f/1.4 ~ Carl Zeiss 100mm f/2.0
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Leica M6: Leica Sumicron 35mm ~ Leica Sumicron 75mm
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Mar 12, 2014 11:50 |  #19

kenwood33 wrote in post #16753060 (external link)
I would go for 6d

Today's favourite option. Just running scared of the AF. But that's for another forum.


Canon 6D: Canon 85mm f/1.8 ~ Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 ~ 70-300mm f/4.0 - f/5.6 ~ Carl Zeiss 50mm f/1.4 ~ Carl Zeiss 100mm f/2.0
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Mar 12, 2014 11:51 |  #20

Kirth Gersen wrote in post #16753205 (external link)
Groan - I can feel a major wave of indecision coming on ;). But remember, I really don't use telephoto very often, but recognise I need the longer end occasionally, which is why I am still not sold on a 70-200 f4; and feel the options are either:
  • get the 200mm for use as both telephoto and long portrait solution or
  • get the 135 and an extender, which will cover some of the gap from 105 to 200 AND act as a more appropriate long portrait lens AND can extend to 270 which could come in handy.

ps - reality check. This is a real #middleclassproblem. I can remember when I was a lad and was pretty happy with my Yashica with 50mm kit lens and fairly crummy Vivitar 75-205 zoom ;)

The fact that you dont use a telephoto often actually argues in favor of the zoom as its more versatile than either of the prime options. The 200 2.8 as great a lens as it is, is a specialty lens. The 135L with a converter gives similar results as the 200 2.8. I love my 135L its my favorite lens, but its only great if you use it.




  
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Mar 12, 2014 12:33 |  #21

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The fact that you dont use a telephoto often actually argues in favor of the zoom as its more versatile than either of the prime options. The 200 2.8 as great a lens as it is, is a specialty lens. The 135L with a converter gives similar results as the 200 2.8. I love my 135L its my favorite lens, but its only great if you use it.

hmm - in the same way as my 85 is not used anywhere as much as I would like, but is my favourite lens. In FF it will become my standard portrait lens, and I guess I will use it more. I just love those long images shot on a wide aperture prime, which is where I see the 135/200 coming in.

Of course if I get the 6D (which is £800 cheaper than a 5D mk3), the money will be there for both a 70-200 f4 and a 135. Its just a lot of money being invested in what may only be 10% of my shots.


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Mar 12, 2014 16:33 |  #22
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I get by OK with just a 35 f/2 and a 100 f/2 on my 6D.




  
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Mar 12, 2014 18:44 |  #23

Kirth Gersen wrote in post #16753205 (external link)
Groan - I can feel a major wave of indecision coming on ;). But remember, I really don't use telephoto very often, but recognise I need the longer end occasionally, which is why I am still not sold on a 70-200 f4; and feel the options are either:
  • get the 200mm for use as both telephoto and long portrait solution or
  • get the 135 and an extender, which will cover some of the gap from 105 to 200 AND act as a more appropriate long portrait lens AND can extend to 270 which could come in handy.

ps - reality check. This is a real #middleclassproblem. I can remember when I was a lad and was pretty happy with my Yashica with 50mm kit lens and fairly crummy Vivitar 75-205 zoom ;)

gonzogolf wrote in post #16753215 (external link)
The fact that you dont use a telephoto often actually argues in favor of the zoom as its more versatile than either of the prime options. The 200 2.8 as great a lens as it is, is a specialty lens. The 135L with a converter gives similar results as the 200 2.8. I love my 135L its my favorite lens, but its only great if you use it.

This. Your statement hints toward a zoom over a prime.

Again if you must get a prime to go with the other two lenses, then I still say 200L. Get an off brand (Say Kenko Pro) 1.4X. You can use the tc on the 24-105L to get you to 147mm (though it will be an f/5.6). And use the tc with the 200L to get you to 280mm.

*My 100L is my favorite over all, followed by the 135L. Personally I'd still go with the zoom (even if it is only an f/4) before the primes - that is me though.

*PS - Just because they are favorites, doesn't mean they get used more than the zooms. The right tool for the job at hand. Zooms make more sense for most of MY shooting. But yes, they get used!


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Mar 12, 2014 23:29 |  #24

Kirth Gersen wrote in post #16752505 (external link)
I have another line of enquiry on another forum which is trying to decide whether to go FF or not, and if so whether it is the Nikon D800 or the 5D mk3 or the 6D. I still haven't decided - I sway between each camera on a daily basis!

However, if I stick with Canon and do go FF, here is my proposed line lens up and the reasons why.

  • Budget is reasonably secondary, though I tend to be a 2nd tier type of guy in terms of bang per buck.
  • Weight is important to me, I don't want to lug huge long, heavy lenses about on holiday. So 70-200 f2.8 zooms and 300+ telephotos are out.
  • What really floats my boat is portraiture and people shots. And what really, really floats my boat is shallow DOF, great bokeh and tack sharp subjects which pop in an almost 3D way.

My Flickr favourites  (external link)gallery sort of shows these preferences.

So to the lenses:

  • 24-105 f4. Walkaround lens. Reasonably light, great value for money when sold as a kit lens. Good focal range. Perfect for holidays.
  • 85 f1.8. Already have this lens. Should be a great indoor portrait lens. Will probably upgrade to a Sigma 1.4 or a Canon 1.2L in the future.
  • 200 f2.8. Tough call between this and the 70-200 f4. I don't do a lot of long telephoto stuff, nor sports stuff but it comes in handy occasionally. But what swings it is that I ran Exposure Plot (external link) on the 2014 keepers on my hard drive and for those in the 55-250 range, a significant majority were at 250 - indicating that I needed max zoom and probably more. In addition, I think the 200 would make for an excellent discreet portrait lens for outdoors, with better DOF/Bokeh than the f4 zoom at 200. Also the increased compression will give more creative portrait options in addition to the 85mm.


That's it. I have decided I don't do enough UWA to justify a specific lens. I may in future add a 35mm 1.4 for group portraits indoors.

What do you reckon?

Heya,

For the same price as all that you have listed:

Tamron 24-70 F2.8 VC
Tamron 70-200 F2.8 VC

And done.

Very best,


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Mar 12, 2014 23:39 |  #25

The 200 2.8 has been my go-to lens since I got it to shoot field sports 18 months ago on my 60D. It doubles as a fantastic portrait lens and it can be found lightly-used for around $550 USD. It is especially brilliant on a tripod or monopod, although the lens is only about the size of the 135L.

But here's the bad news--shooting at 200mm on a crop body is substantially longer than it is on a FF body. I love the IQ, but definitely miss the added reach.


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Mar 13, 2014 11:42 |  #26

I would take the exposure plot stuff with a grain of salt when they indicate one is at the extents of the lenses. The framing and recollection of the shots would be more telling. If the bulk are at 250mm how are they framed? Loose, tight, remember walking to get the shot?


I couldn't live without my 70-200L.


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Mar 13, 2014 12:17 |  #27

Kirth Gersen wrote in post #16752505 (external link)
I have another line of enquiry on another forum which is trying to decide whether to go FF or not, and if so whether it is the Nikon D800 or the 5D mk3 or the 6D. I still haven't decided - I sway between each camera on a daily basis!

However, if I stick with Canon and do go FF, here is my proposed line lens up and the reasons why.

  • Budget is reasonably secondary, though I tend to be a 2nd tier type of guy in terms of bang per buck.
  • Weight is important to me, I don't want to lug huge long, heavy lenses about on holiday. So 70-200 f2.8 zooms and 300+ telephotos are out.
  • What really floats my boat is portraiture and people shots. And what really, really floats my boat is shallow DOF, great bokeh and tack sharp subjects which pop in an almost 3D way.

My Flickr favourites  (external link)gallery sort of shows these preferences.

So to the lenses:

  • 24-105 f4. Walkaround lens. Reasonably light, great value for money when sold as a kit lens. Good focal range. Perfect for holidays.
  • 85 f1.8. Already have this lens. Should be a great indoor portrait lens. Will probably upgrade to a Sigma 1.4 or a Canon 1.2L in the future.
  • 200 f2.8. Tough call between this and the 70-200 f4. I don't do a lot of long telephoto stuff, nor sports stuff but it comes in handy occasionally. But what swings it is that I ran Exposure Plot (external link) on the 2014 keepers on my hard drive and for those in the 55-250 range, a significant majority were at 250 - indicating that I needed max zoom and probably more. In addition, I think the 200 would make for an excellent discreet portrait lens for outdoors, with better DOF/Bokeh than the f4 zoom at 200. Also the increased compression will give more creative portrait options in addition to the 85mm.


That's it. I have decided I don't do enough UWA to justify a specific lens. I may in future add a 35mm 1.4 for group portraits indoors.

What do you reckon?

So a significant portion of your shots are at 400mm FF equivalent and you want to go with an option in the 200/2.8 that is equivalently only half as long? I'm thinking you should skip the 200 and go with a 70-300L or 100-400L instead. The 200/2.8 would take a 1.4 TC well, but if you do want 400mm with a 2X tc, your IQ will suffer.


Canon 7D/350D, Σ17-50/2.8 OS, 18-55IS, 24-105/4 L IS, Σ30/1.4 EX, 50/1.8, C50/1.4, 55-250IS, 60/2.8, 70-200/4 L IS, 85/1.8, 100/2.8 IS L, 135/2 L 580EX II, 430EX II * 2, 270EX II.

  
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