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Mar 13, 2014 06:52 |  #1

Hi all,

I had all but convinced myself that the Canon 400mm f5.6 was the lens I wanted and needed for my photography, (Wildlife, mainly birds) then I see a few reports on the Tammy 150-600mm, which are quite good, so now I am thinking again, is there that much of a diffence in IQ, I understand the different apetures and AF differences, my main query is with IQ.
It is to be used with a 7D.

Any thoughts

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Mar 13, 2014 07:15 |  #2

The 400 is
Smaller
Lighter
Focuses faster
Better IQ
Keeper rate will be better

But the 400
is not a zoom
does not go to 600
to get to 600 you need a TC (will be manual focus unless using a 1D body)
so if you need 600 this is not your lens

Personally, I can see having both..


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Mar 13, 2014 07:58 |  #3

Jippy11 wrote in post #16755067 (external link)
Hi all,

I had all but convinced myself that the Canon 400mm f5.6 was the lens I wanted and needed for my photography, (Wildlife, mainly birds) then I see a few reports on the Tammy 150-600mm, which are quite good, so now I am thinking again, is there that much of a diffence in IQ, I understand the different apetures and AF differences, my main query is with IQ.
It is to be used with a 7D.

Any thoughts

Regards

Barry H

Heya,

Two different tools.

A prime 400L is sharper, faster, autofocus is faster, it will be a superior image from a technical stand point. But it's only 400mm.

The 600mm Tamron will be less sharp (but not soft), not as fast, autofocus not as fast, so it's overall technical image quality might be a touch less. But this is from a pixel peeping stand point. If you look at the images of the birds people are doing with the Tamron, it's quite superb for it's cost and the images are great. You have to consider the 200mm difference, which is a BIG difference.

Bottom line: If you want 600mm, wait for the Tamron, order it and wait a few months.

If you want to get the in-between, and not wait, then look to the Sigma 50-500.

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Mar 13, 2014 08:34 |  #4

The 400 is one phenominal lens. I owned one when I first started out, needed funds and sold for what I paid for it. Am now in market again for a fun lens for birding, wildlife, etc. I have been peaking at the tamron lens... I almost feel the tamron would be a good choice for stagnant subjects, similar to the canon 100-400, with an extra 200mm of focal length. Great for walking the trail and getting shots of slow or non moving wildlife. If you want the ability to get birds in flight, the 400 is the way to go. AF is exceptional and keeper rate will probably be much higher.


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Mar 13, 2014 08:35 |  #5

Before you do anything check out this thread. www.fredmiranda.com/fo​rum/topic/1270895 (external link)
There has been a problem with servo on certain camera bodies and the 7D is one of them. several photographers are waiting to see if Tamron recognizes this problem and does something to correct it. If they choose to ignore it there is always the possibility that the lens will not work properly on future camera bodies as well. There are some excellent photographers complaining about the operation of this lens. We are not talking about operator error here. Aside from the focus issues, the Tamron gets progressively softer as you approach 600mm and the f 6.3 maximum aperture limits you to shooting only in very good light. If I were you I would wait to see if there is a firmware correction from Tamron.
If you can't wait then get the 400mm f 5.6 Canon. If it were me I would go for the Canon. Sharper, faster focusing and wider aperture.


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Mar 13, 2014 08:41 |  #6

Larry Weinman wrote in post #16755229 (external link)
Before you do anything check out this thread. www.fredmiranda.com/fo​rum/topic/1270895 (external link)
There has been a problem with servo on certain camera bodies and the 7D is one of them. several photographers are waiting to see if Tamron recognizes this problem and does something to correct it. If they choose to ignore it there is always the possibility that the lens will not work properly on future camera bodies as well. There are some excellent photographers complaining about the operation of this lens. We are not talking about operator error here. Aside from the focus issues, the Tamron gets progressively softer as you approach 600mm and the f 6.3 maximum aperture limits you to shooting only in very good light. If I were you I would wait to see if there is a firmware correction from Tamron.
If you can't wait then get the 400mm f 5.6 Canon. If it were me I would go for the Canon. Sharper, faster focusing and wider aperture.

They sky is falling! The sky is falling!

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Mar 13, 2014 08:48 |  #7

MalVeauX wrote in post #16755246 (external link)
They sky is falling! The sky is falling!

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lol bw!

I would check here http://www.flickr.com/​groups/2470447@N21/ (external link) And determine for yourself if the IQ is acceptable or check the images in this thread. Compare them to images taken with the 400L 5.6 and you can make the call. :)


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Mar 13, 2014 08:59 as a reply to  @ Grizz's post |  #8

Prime will always beat a zoom but here's the thing the Tamron goes to 600 freaking mm. You do not know how it is valuable for wildlife photographer. The IQ/Sharpness is more than adequate. It also has VC that is actually works as advertised. The MFD on the Tamron is better than the 400mm F5.6

Now the downside to the Tamron, it's heavy : ~2kg and you need some technique to be able to handheld this beast. Its slower by 1/3 stop. The zoom ring turns in the opposite of Canon lens and the manual focus ring is small.


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Mar 13, 2014 10:11 |  #9

Grizz wrote in post #16755265 (external link)
lol bw!

I would check here http://www.flickr.com/​groups/2470447@N21/ (external link) And determine for yourself if the IQ is acceptable or check the images in this thread. Compare them to images taken with the 400L 5.6 and you can make the call. :)

Thanks for that link, lots of images in there I haven't seen yet by that Tamron. That moon shot is very nice.

Still waiting on my order :(

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Mar 13, 2014 10:26 |  #10

I use the 400 for birds, it's a great lens. I've been impressed with what I've seen of the image quality of the Tamron, but I'm skeptical of the AF performance (particularly on the 7d, which I use.) I formerly used a Sigma 150-500, and while the image quality wasn't as good as the Tamron, the biggest drawback for me was the inconsistent AF performance. I wouldn't want to deal with that again.

IMO, you can't go wrong with the 400/5.6 for birds.


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Mar 13, 2014 11:32 |  #11

Larry Weinman wrote in post #16755229 (external link)
If you can't wait then get the 400mm f 5.6 Canon. If it were me I would go for the Canon. Sharper, faster focusing and wider aperture.

The Tamron lens has a f/5.6 aperture at 400mm.


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Mar 13, 2014 11:55 |  #12

Grizz wrote in post #16755265 (external link)
lol bw!

I would check here http://www.flickr.com/​groups/2470447@N21/ (external link) And determine for yourself if the IQ is acceptable or check the images in this thread. Compare them to images taken with the 400L 5.6 and you can make the call. :)

This thread includes Tamron 150-600mm images taken with all bodies. The greater majority of them are of static subjects. I was referring to servo specifically with the canon 1D Mark IV and the 7D. Servo does not work the way it is supposed to on those bodies with the Tamron 150-600.


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Mar 13, 2014 12:12 |  #13

Larry Weinman wrote in post #16755697 (external link)
This thread includes Tamron 150-600mm images taken with all bodies. The greater majority of them are of static subjects. I was referring to servo specifically with the canon 1D Mark IV and the 7D. Servo does not work the way it is supposed to on those bodies with the Tamron 150-600.

And my post was to address the OP's main concern

my main query is with IQ

Not AF issues where he plainly stated

I understand the different apetures and AF differences

So he can certainly look at the images in the links I offered and make a decision based on what his eyes see as far as IQ goes. If he thinks 400 is the max he will use then I would go with the 400L 5.6 if he wants the longer reach then I'd go with the Tamron.


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Mar 13, 2014 12:27 |  #14

If a lens does not focus properly on a moving subject it affects IQ.


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Mar 13, 2014 12:29 |  #15

Larry Weinman wrote in post #16755781 (external link)
If a lens does not focus properly on a moving subject it affects IQ.

Just to add to this, you're basing this on what, a review of a single copy from one person? All these guys with the same lens and same cameras who are not having this issue, they just... don't matter? Come on...

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