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My 6D is a lot better sports camera than my 7d

 
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Mar 14, 2014 20:49 |  #241

Mornnb wrote in post #16758988 (external link)
I am a 6D fanboy, it's image sensor is perfect and the camera is wonderfully lightweight. But I also shoot sports and need a camera that can do a decent job at it, that's the 7D not the 6D...

I agree with this. But it's no sports by any means.


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Mar 14, 2014 21:15 |  #242

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16759475 (external link)
The 7D has had some that had AF issues, but it is not a rampant issue. Much like the issues around the 70D currently, if there was a problem, it was with a batch or regional manufacturing lot.


So they 70D has issues now, too?


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Mar 14, 2014 21:21 |  #243

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Frame rate matters. I shoot a lot of shooters that are shooting machineguns on full auto. No one here can time a muzzle flash and get it right. A high frame rate burst during a burst of fire, will get you more keepers per shoot. It's pretty simple math.

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I would be to differ because it depends on the muzzle device and powder on the weapon. Say a gun has a Noveske "pig" you can get some decent flames and the muzzle type on your sample photo always generates flames given that a specific power is used and can be captured by time it right. I also do firearm shots and agree with you but at the same breath you can anticipate and time it right to get this.

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Mar 14, 2014 21:39 as a reply to  @ OuttaCtrl's post |  #244

Well, it appears (actually not a new revelation at all, more of a reaffirmation) that as video stills become more acceptable as high-resolution photos, a good chunk of you will be switching to video, at least during the exposure process, and that's fine. Whatever it takes, especially if income is involved. However, I'm sticking with photography myself.


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Mar 14, 2014 22:09 |  #245

OuttaCtrl wrote in post #16759540 (external link)
I would be to differ because it depends on the muzzle device and powder on the weapon. Say a gun has a Noveske "pig" you can get some decent flames and the muzzle type on your sample photo always generates flames given that a specific power is used and can be captured by time it right. I also do firearm shots and agree with you but at the same breath you can anticipate and time it right to get this.

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Oh don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of timing my shots too. But if you want to increase the odds of more keepers from a burst of full auto fire, higher frame rates are where it's at. I will shoot using timing a lot when shooting the slower strings of fire. In fact I prefer to do it that way so I don't have 1.6 trillion frames to sort through at the end of the day.


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Mar 16, 2014 07:08 as a reply to  @ Mark_Mason's post |  #246

I'm sitting here looking at my first Canon camera. The continuous shooting rate is one thumb per frame...


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Mar 16, 2014 10:34 |  #247

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I'm sitting here looking at my first Canon camera. The continuous shooting rate is one thumb per frame...

You'd get a better keeper rate with an index finger per frame...:D


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Mar 18, 2014 22:07 |  #248

Dear TeamSpead, it's obvious that you have a lot of time invested in this forum. It probably took you quite some time to build your internet self esteem up to the point it is today. I sincerely apologize to you for coming on here and making such a bold statement. I mean for me to say that one of my cameras works better than the other for me in sports and that I get a lot more keepers must have sounded quite ridiculous to you the rest of the gang. I can understand why you guys felt the need to make the snide remarks a lot better since I was banned and had a chance to cool off. It was very therapeutic.
Again I sincerely do apologize. I noticed all of the references you made to me while I was banned. I would really like the opportunity to meet you in person one day to see if you are the same as your internet persona makes you out to be here. If you are the same in person I would simply smile and bid you farewell.
Just fyi, I have been published in newspapers, magazines and on espn.com for HS sports photography. This dates to back to the early 1980's when I was employed as a staff photographer for a newspaper. I have not shot sports for pay, other than team and individual pictures, since 2007
Every picture on my site was probably shot with either a 20D, 30D or 40D. There may be some with the 7D but I'm not sure. Bottom line is that I know who I am, what I've done and what I'm capable of doing and it never crossed my mind that there was any need for me to attempt to prove myself here.
I won't comment here again, at least no time soon. I wish you all well.


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Mar 18, 2014 22:44 |  #249
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jdouglas003 wrote in post #16769071 (external link)
Dear TeamSpead, it's obvious that you have a lot of time invested in this forum. It probably took you quite some time to build your internet self esteem up to the point it is today. I sincerely apologize to you for coming on here and making such a bold statement. I mean for me to say that one of my cameras works better than the other for me in sports and that I get a lot more keepers must have sounded quite ridiculous to you the rest of the gang. I can understand why you guys felt the need to make the snide remarks a lot better since I was banned and had a chance to cool off. It was very therapeutic.
Again I sincerely do apologize. I noticed all of the references you made to me while I was banned. I would really like the opportunity to meet you in person one day to see if you are the same as your internet persona makes you out to be here. If you are the same in person I would simply smile and bid you farewell.
Just fyi, I have been published in newspapers, magazines and on espn.com for HS sports photography. This dates to back to the early 1980's when I was employed as a staff photographer for a newspaper. I have not shot sports for pay, other than team and individual pictures, since 2007
Every picture on my site was probably shot with either a 20D, 30D or 40D. There may be some with the 7D but I'm not sure. Bottom line is that I know who I am, what I've done and what I'm capable of doing and it never crossed my mind that there was any need for me to attempt to prove myself here.
I won't comment here again, at least no time soon. I wish you all well.

I'm sorry you feel the need to clarify/apologize...


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Mar 19, 2014 04:41 |  #250

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...I mean for me to say that one of my cameras works better than the other for me in sports and that I get a lot more keepers must have sounded quite ridiculous to you the rest of the gang.

No, but making such a statement without any example or further detail to show why you felt like that made us all guessing, as good as we could. Some guesses were right, some wrong.

I won't comment here again, at least no time soon. I wish you all well.

That's a pity, since it's by communicating we get to understand and know each other a little better. Now when everyone has cooled off, it's pretty easy to see that so called snide remarks were sent in all directions.

So let's all stay cooled off and keep the discussion going in a constructive manner. All the best to you too, jdouglas!


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Mar 19, 2014 06:17 |  #251

"My 6D is a lot better sports camera than my 7d"

what on earth is wrong with your 7D then? Ive used a mates 6D and it is not that good at catching fast action, a shot here and there but does not keep up with the 7D, likewise the 7D does not keep up with the 1D series cameras, its a fact...


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Mar 19, 2014 12:08 |  #252

jdouglas003 wrote in post #16769071 (external link)
Dear TeamSpead, it's obvious that you have a lot of time invested in this forum. It probably took you quite some time to build your internet self esteem up to the point it is today. I sincerely apologize to you for coming on here and making such a bold statement. I mean for me to say that one of my cameras works better than the other for me in sports and that I get a lot more keepers must have sounded quite ridiculous to you the rest of the gang. I can understand why you guys felt the need to make the snide remarks a lot better since I was banned and had a chance to cool off. It was very therapeutic.
Again I sincerely do apologize. I noticed all of the references you made to me while I was banned. I would really like the opportunity to meet you in person one day to see if you are the same as your internet persona makes you out to be here. If you are the same in person I would simply smile and bid you farewell.
Just fyi, I have been published in newspapers, magazines and on espn.com for HS sports photography. This dates to back to the early 1980's when I was employed as a staff photographer for a newspaper. I have not shot sports for pay, other than team and individual pictures, since 2007
Every picture on my site was probably shot with either a 20D, 30D or 40D. There may be some with the 7D but I'm not sure. Bottom line is that I know who I am, what I've done and what I'm capable of doing and it never crossed my mind that there was any need for me to attempt to prove myself here.
I won't comment here again, at least no time soon. I wish you all well.

I appreciate the specific attention you are paying to me, despite the fact that I only talked about you in one reply after your 1 week ban started.

It really doesn't matter how published you are, or what equipment you have shot with, when it comes to the 7D. In fact, I would say that if your major experience is with those cameras, and the length of time is long with those cameras, it would be a detriment to learning the 7D. The 7D is a vastly different camera over the 20D, 30D, or 40D, in feature, resolution (which has more aggressive requirements), etc.

I have shot with all of those as well, in addition to the 50D, 1D3, 1D4, 5D, 5D2, and 5D3. The 7D is closer to the 1D series than the previous xxD series. The 6D is closer to the 20D, 30D, and 40Ds that you have used, and therefore it's no wonder you are more comfortable with it. It has better IQ than the 7D, and if your comfort/familiarity with that is higher than with the 7D, it is simply logical to conclude your results will be better in many situations. However that says nothing of the 6D or 7D in general, since it is the human factor making the difference here.

I have helped many people with that specific model, and in most cases, the problems they were having were due to their misunderstanding, ignorance, or lack of experience on how to set the camera up, and adjust things like micro focus, picture styles and CF settings to get the most from the raw, to mention a couple. If you come from a 1D background, the 7D isn't really that hard to understand, but the other way is a larger chasm to jump across.

Good luck in your future endeavors. :)

EDIT: And no, I needed no time to build up a internet esteem factor here, I had this attitude from the beginning in 2004. :lol:


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Mar 19, 2014 13:25 |  #253

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I appreciate the specific attention you are paying to me, despite the fact that I only talked about you in one reply after your 1 week ban started.

It really doesn't matter how published you are, or what equipment you have shot with, when it comes to the 7D. In fact, I would say that if your major experience is with those cameras, and the length of time is long with those cameras, it would be a detriment to learning the 7D. The 7D is a vastly different camera over the 20D, 30D, or 40D, in feature, resolution (which has more aggressive requirements), etc.

I have shot with all of those as well, in addition to the 50D, 1D3, 1D4, 5D, 5D2, and 5D3. The 7D is closer to the 1D series than the previous xxD series. The 6D is closer to the 20D, 30D, and 40Ds that you have used, and therefore it's no wonder you are more comfortable with it. It has better IQ than the 7D, and if your comfort/familiarity with that is higher than with the 7D, it is simply logical to conclude your results will be better in many situations. However that says nothing of the 6D or 7D in general, since it is the human factor making the difference here.

I have helped many people with that specific model, and in most cases, the problems they were having were due to their misunderstanding, ignorance, or lack of experience on how to set the camera up, and adjust things like micro focus, picture styles and CF settings to get the most from the raw, to mention a couple. If you come from a 1D background, the 7D isn't really that hard to understand, but the other way is a larger chasm to jump across.

Good luck in your future endeavors. :)

EDIT: And no, I needed no time to build up a internet esteem factor here, I had this attitude from the beginning in 2004. :lol:

I thought my jump from the Rebel XT to the 40D was a big one. I had no idea how small it was compared to my jump from the 40D to the 7D. And micro focus is a God send btw. Especially on my 80-200L when shooting birds or flowers.


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Mar 19, 2014 17:12 |  #254

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Didn't have to do any micro lens adjustment crap either.

This was the thing that I thought was a stupid statement. The rest is perfectly normal of people with opposing ideas thrashing it out. Micro Adjust is an amazing feature and has revolutionised some of my lens.

Telling people to "get a freaking life" and calling them "saddos" will only get negative posts towards you.

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