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Mar 16, 2014 18:51 as a reply to  @ post 16763241 |  #46

Honestly dont know how anyone can compete with B&H or Adorama. Both are excellent. They have set the bar very high and deserve everything coming their way. I dont buy from anyone else anymore.


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Mar 16, 2014 21:01 |  #47

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I agree with you to an extent. I live in NY and regularly go to BH and sometimes Adorama. I do a lot of business with Allens Camera in PA. Love them. Excellent service. But, and there's a big but. Mom and pop stores not only don't have nearly the inventory as BH, etc, but they don't carry even one-tenth of the brands. I recently wanted the Camranger. I emailed Allen's first. They don't carry it. On the other hand, they got me a Big Stopper months before Adorama did. Same with the new profoto gear. Allen's had it while it was back ordered at the other biggies.

I really like to stop in at B&H some day. I have never been to NY but hope to get there.


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Mar 17, 2014 07:46 |  #48

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I really like to stop in at B&H some day. I have never been to NY but hope to get there.

Let me know when you do. You can treat me to lunch in exchange for a tour of the store ;-)a




  
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Mar 17, 2014 09:00 |  #49

B&H is like a camera mecca. It's interesting that they've built such a brand for themselves that some of us would consider their physical store a NY attraction.


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Mar 17, 2014 09:27 |  #50

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Let me know when you do. You can treat me to lunch in exchange for a tour of the store ;-)a

Sounds good. Would you have a beer as well?


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Mar 17, 2014 09:43 |  #51

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One thing Calumet did that I will never forget. In the late 90's I purchased a used Zone VI 5x7 enlarger. I was having troubles getting it set up. Calumet S.F. had their in-house expert drive over 1.5 hours to my house with spare parts and help me set it up. That level of service is extraordinary and rare in this day and age. Calumet had a nice healthy life. The big brick stores cost a fortune to run and the competition is fierce. Price wise Calumet could not compete and it may have led to their demise.

Joe like I said earlier they were really successful when they catered to pros and had less of a showroom and a huge stock. If I blew out say a strobe on a big shoot on Monday AM I would call on Monday afternoon and they would have it out for me and ready for pick up on Tuesday AM before my next shoot.

The Calumet that existed for the last few years was I would call and they would say it wasn't in stock and they had to order it so I would call B&H and t would be there in a couple days. Next day if I paid for it. Not sticking to what they did well and trying to compete in an arena they couldn't compete in is what killed them. Being run by execs that had a track record (ritz) for not making good decisions.




  
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Mar 17, 2014 12:37 |  #52

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I hate to see any "independent" camera store owner go out of business. While the mail order businesses often times are able to sell items for less (no sales tax) the offset in being able to talk to a knowledgeable sales person far outweighs the savings.

Living in the south we had Wolf Camera, who was later bought by Ritz...No comparison.

Looks like the mail order retailers are starting to win the battle.

"Starting to..."???


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Mar 17, 2014 12:40 |  #53

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Honestly dont know how anyone can compete with B&H or Adorama. Both are excellent. They have set the bar very high and deserve everything coming their way. I dont buy from anyone else anymore.

I do. I have a Hunt's reasonably local to me, and pretty much always start there. It costs a little more with the sales tax, but the base price usually matches B&H and Adorama, and I like to support a local vendor when they have what I need. And if I need something badly, I can get it the same day...


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Mar 17, 2014 20:22 |  #54

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Sounds good. Would you have a beer as well?

Haven't had a drink or a joint in 18 years, but I'd be glad to buy you one.




  
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Mar 17, 2014 22:02 |  #55

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Haven't had a drink or a joint in 18 years, but I'd be glad to buy you one.

I'll have to remember that.


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Mar 18, 2014 00:40 |  #56

MDJAK wrote in post #16763241 (external link)
I agree with you to an extent. I live in NY and regularly go to BH and sometimes Adorama. I do a lot of business with Allens Camera in PA. Love them. Excellent service. But, and there's a big but. Mom and pop stores not only don't have nearly the inventory as BH, etc, but they don't carry even one-tenth of the brands. I recently wanted the Camranger. I emailed Allen's first. They don't carry it. On the other hand, they got me a Big Stopper months before Adorama did. Same with the new profoto gear. Allen's had it while it was back ordered at the other biggies.

MD. Allen's is a great store as you know. I head there at least once a month. Regarding B&H, I actually buy more from them when I am in New York than I do on-line. When we would visit our oldest son was at NYU for Grad School, I would always head over to 34th & 9th and grab a goodie or two.


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Mar 18, 2014 00:45 |  #57

Nathan wrote in post #16764412 (external link)
B&H is like a camera mecca. It's interesting that they've built such a brand for themselves that some of us would consider their physical store a NY attraction.

It's pretty incredible. I've been going to B&H since 2000. Not very frequently, I probably haven't been in 3-4 years, but every time I go it's impressive how it grows and changes.


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Mar 18, 2014 02:23 |  #58

BufordFZ1 wrote in post #16755406 (external link)
I hate to see any "independent" camera store owner go out of business. While the mail order businesses often times are able to sell items for less (no sales tax) the offset in being able to talk to a knowledgeable sales person far outweighs the savings.

I have to agree, despite now shopping almost exclusively mail-order. We used to have a fantastic camera store in Dearborn called Adray, where I purchased my first DSLR as a teenager. The service was excellent, the prices were a bit high but not prohibitive. They closed down 5 years ago and now it's pretty much just Best Buy, Ritz, and Woodward Camera. The former two have obvious shortcomings, and Woodward has some of the rudest salespeople I've ever encountered. Always sad to see the "good guys" go. I have had great service with B&H, rarely use Adorama because I find their site much more difficult to navigate.


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Mar 18, 2014 06:57 |  #59

BufordFZ1 wrote in post #16755406 (external link)
I hate to see any "independent" camera store owner go out of business. While the mail order businesses often times are able to sell items for less (no sales tax) the offset in being able to talk to a knowledgeable sales person far outweighs the savings.

Living in the south we had Wolf Camera, who was later bought by Ritz...No comparison.

Looks like the mail order retailers are starting to win the battle.

That price advantage due to sales tax isn't likely to last a whole lot longer. Many states are looking at requiring online retailers to collect and remit sales taxes for anything that is delivered to their state, and a few have already done so. The internet retailers are fighting it, but they don't vote in the states doing this, and the local brick and mortars do...


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Mar 18, 2014 08:59 |  #60

MsKutispwet wrote in post #16762864 (external link)
it's a sad day for online shopping -

Most of the sales of serious gear like big white lenses, cinema gear, etc won't even happen in places like Calumet any more; stuff you see there is generally for display as being the top tier of Canon's or Nikon's range, and I very much doubt they've moved much medium format to justify even displaying the stuff commercially in years, and yet they pointlessly did (in Euston at least).

We use Production Gear in Elstree, which is basically a low key showroom in an industrial complex, because the prices will always kill a retail store's like Calumet, and also because of the relationship you can build up with the staff, our man is Simon, who was going to lend us a Gyrocopter at one stage. I should imagine that's across the board with the industry as well so these days what are the point of shops like Calumet any more quite frankly? A studio in Soho in need of anything will just pick up the phone and send a bike to somewhere where they have a similar relationship. Which basically leaves the consumer and their EF or DX lenses, or consumer camera purchaces. Online or more expensive at Calumet?

Also, my colleague filmed tarsiers in Sumatra for eight months and they had some weird arrangement with Calumet where they took Calumet branded compact flash cards along with Sandisks. Bar none, all of the Calumet cards packed up and died, and he's still using the Sandisks. He reminded me of that only yesterday.


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