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Can't decide: 24-70 2.8L II or 85mm f/1.2L II

 
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Mar 23, 2014 13:44 |  #16

Typical thread on the 24-70 where all the owners will come in to support this lens regardless of it's limitations. I've personally shot with the 24-70 and while versatile, the rendering of subjects (bokeh quality included) and capability to shoot in low light is nowhere near any of the primes in this range.

A lot of people 'claim' the 24-70 can replace primes in this focal length, but I've found this couldn't be further from the truth unless you absolutely hate shallow DOF shots.

Bottom line, I recommend reviewing the lens sample forums on this site and view photos from each thread (24-70 & 85L 1.2). See which lens better matches your shooting style. I typically review the 24-70 thread each week (out of curiosity) and I must say, it's usually one of the more boring threads from an 'excellent/amazing' photo perspective. The prime threads on the other hand usually blow me away with the quality of bokeh, limited DOF, and technical capability of the photographer. You'll never be able to reproduce photos like that with a basic 24-70 zoom, even if it is rather fast at f2.8.

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Mar 23, 2014 13:58 |  #17

Typical thread on the 24-105. All the owners will come in to support it regardless of it's limitations ;) I recently read here the 24-105 was the best lens Canon has ever made.

Well the close to primes comment came from a well known lens review site, not from any owners that I can recall. My 24-70II is not perfect by a long shot but it is the only thing out there in the range that I want and gives me the IQ I was looking for.

You have to do the research and decide for yourself. Like I said I have read forums where people purchased it and sold it. Good for them. If I did not like it I would have been looking for an alternative and preparing to sell it.

Regarding the 10 out of 10 comment. Only individuals know how deep or shallow their pockets are. If your pockets are shallow in life then that will effect decision making no matter how much evidence is presented.

If you don't like it then don't buy it. Last thing I'd ever do is convince a person to buy something. I'll give my opinion, show images, links to reviews. My opinion is that my 24-70II is much my 24-105 was. You don't have to believe me.


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Mar 23, 2014 14:51 |  #18

ed rader wrote in post #16779922 (external link)
the informed opinion is the 24-70l II is the best medium range zoom made by anyone. period. to the OP's question it sounds like you want to spend money because comparing those two lenses is a real stretch. I've neve had use for the 85L yet as long as I shoot canon I won't be without the 24-70L II. what they have in common is they are the best lenses in their class.

Hey Ed,

You're right, I have some money to spend for a nice lens right now, don't usually splurge but doing so on a rare occasion has given me a nice selection of glass which over the years has been a joy to shoot with.

I do realize that comparing them is a stretch, but one of the reasons I can't make a decision is because they are so different and I shoot a broad range of things. I wish I could say that I just want to shoot portraits or just need a walk-around.

I don't think either selection is a bad one, but I was leaning towards the 24-70 but wanted other photographers to help me decide before I made the leap.


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Mar 23, 2014 14:52 |  #19

digital paradise wrote in post #16779531 (external link)
Well you find of sound like me. I had the 85. Great lens but I sold it because I did not use it that much. Sold it and my 100 macro to finance the 100 Macro L IS. It is so sharp I have to carry bandaids in my camera bag.

If you are an all around general shooter I would look into the 24-70II. I'm very happy with mine. The other thing is the 24-70 is no giveaway lens. If you can afford it buy that and get a used 85 down the road. That is what I would do.

Here is a thread you may be interested it. I have images using my 24-70 on post numbers 48 and 137. If you continue past post number 137 I have some comparisons with my old 24-105. You should read the whole post and decide for yourself.

I don't see a link to the thread you are referring to?


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Mar 23, 2014 15:26 |  #20

Hockeyphoto wrote in post #16780157 (external link)
I don't see a link to the thread you are referring to?

Sorry about that.

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1361170


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Mar 23, 2014 15:49 |  #21

To me, the 24-105 plus 85L gives you a lot more options than the 24-70 2.8 ii. I can't see how anyone thinks the 24-70 is a game changer. It's very nice but I haven't seen it create images radically different than the mark I.


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Mar 23, 2014 15:56 |  #22

Sell your 24-105 get the 24-70 mk2 and find a cheap used sig 85. End of story.


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Mar 23, 2014 16:09 |  #23

Just curious. I have had the old 28-70 2.8 L for about 12 years paired with my 10D. It's a great lens. I know the 24 -70 was marketed to add back some AOV lost with the cropped sensors but is the current 24-70 mk 2 hugely better than the old 28-70 L for IQ. speed of autofocus. Etc?
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Mar 23, 2014 16:12 |  #24

Ladera wrote in post #16780278 (external link)
To me, the 24-105 plus 85L gives you a lot more options than the 24-70 2.8 ii. I can't see how anyone thinks the 24-70 is a game changer. It's very nice but I haven't seen it create images radically different than the mark I.

No one has really compared the 24-70 v1 one to v2 so. Most conversation has been about 24-105. I never owned it but I did read very good things about it.


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Mar 23, 2014 16:39 |  #25

digital paradise wrote in post #16780328 (external link)
No one has really compared the 24-70 v1 one to v2 so. Most conversation has been about 24-105. I never owned it but I did read very good things about it.

My point was in reference to the people who said that the mark ii was a game-changer. The capability of the lens has existed for quite a long time (in the mark i), so I'm not sure how the game has been changed. I know opitcally it is better than the mark i and the 24-105 but I don't see that as game-changing. Given the OP's gear and decision between the 24-70 ii and the 85L, I believe the 85L would create much more creative possibilities and "change the game" a lot more than simply upgrading optics. Just my opinion.


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Mar 23, 2014 17:08 |  #26

A valid point. Game changer can mean many things to people. An improvement in optics to from the 24-105 to the 24-70 can be a game changer to me for certain reasons but not the next person. I see what you are getting at. When I first replied I stated that they are complete opposites, apples to oranges but yes since the OP has a 24-105 the 85 can be a game changer. Good feedback from a different perspective.


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Mar 23, 2014 17:57 as a reply to  @ digital paradise's post |  #27

I mainly photography weddings, seniors, and families.

I currently own:

24-105 (I had two)
24-70 2.8 II
85 1.2 II
70-200 2.8 IS II
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100 2.8 macro.

I purchased the 24-105's to save $ but when the 24-70 price stabilized I purchased it. The 24-105 is now out of my camera bag and is on my wife's camera. Knowing what I know now I would not purchase the 24-105. It is nice but my preference is heavily to the 24-70.

My opinion - I am not a zoom/prime snob. Whatever tool is going to get the image is what I am going to use.

I prefer the versatility of a zoom. The sharpness of the lenses I have are suitable for what I photograph. I believe that with today's technology the difference between zoom/primes is narrowing rapidly and for what I photograph the zooms offer more.

If I had to choose only two lenses for my business it would be the 24-70 and 70-200. They offer ME the most versatility for my personality of photographing. If I had to choose only one, it would be the 70-200.

A lot of good opinions though and it is tough to decide at times.


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Mar 23, 2014 21:22 as a reply to  @ pickle1's post |  #28

just my opinion but I dont see any reason why you should get the 24-70. Youve already stated that your copy of the 24-105 is very sharp. So your probably not going to see any difference that a little bump in contrast or sharpening couldnt fix during post processing. So with that being said nobody thinks the 85L isnt an awesome portrait lens. If I were you I would add primes because the zoom in this range doesnt seem to be limiting you.


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Mar 23, 2014 22:03 |  #29

If you would like a nice prime, get the 85L and a 40mm stm.
The pancake lens is tack sharp and a lot of fun on full frame, especially for the price.

Perhaps sell your 17-55mm and 10-22mm lenses to help fund a 16-35L len you be used on both cameras?
This gives you ultra-wide lens on the 5D III (like your 10-22mm) and a nice zoom for the 7D until you sell it, if you do.
I was considering the 16-35L myself when I had my T4i, but choose the 24L prime instead.


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Mar 24, 2014 23:18 as a reply to  @ InfiniteDivide's post |  #30

Thanks for all of the feedback! I appreciate it very much.

I have decide to get the 85mm 1.2L.. ordered it and it will be here tomorrow. Why? I have a very nice copy of the 24-105L, but I have nothing to give me anything close to 1.2 at the moment, and I can see using this a lot for portraits and other shots and it gives me options. I've always wanted a fast prime, so I'm going to give this a serious work-over to make sure I made the right choice. :)

I still plan on keeping my 7D at this time, so I can actually take 2 cameras with me to shoots where I think the 85mm may be too limiting for a full event. If I sell my 7D, I'll have to move my EF-S lenses also, which would easily give me the funds to buy a 24-70 2.8L II. I do like the EF-S 10-22 for wide angle shots though, so I'd have to replace that too.


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