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Mar 19, 2014 15:25 |  #16

I've done over 40 shoots with models now, first time I was a bit nervous but that faded quickly and it's never gotten 'exciting' to me. The poses you're most likely looking for are not spreads and fingers in dark places, but exotic curves, shadows, shapes. More hiding than showing etc. I've done live drawing for years with nude models, first time was also a bit shaky, but it changes quickly from 'ooohh, naked girl!' to 'here's my model, there are my lights, this is what I want to get'. Keep it light and fun, comfortable space, warm(!), have music on (I bring a docking station so they can plug in their phone or ipod etc or I set it to pandora for what ever music they like (if they care).

Communicate, show her images on the camera etc. Don't be creepy :-)

I worked with a model who's an exotic dancer, I just let her go do her thing which at times got more explicit than what I really look for, but it was a nice flow and never excited me. I was crawling around on the floor, climbing on a ladder, walking all around her (try a shot or two with the light behind her, can be fun) and we had a fun time. I just won't show all the photos I got to my wife, LOL. Doubt she'd care, but it might plant the "so you're shooting porn now?" thought in her head, and I have little interest in shooting porn. though my definition might be a bit looser. Porn to me is mainly zooming in on genitalia and their workings. That takes away the touch of mystery I want to have in my photos.

Maybe, if you don't want to jump right in in your own studio by yourself, find a meetup.com group in your area, there should be some that organize group shoots, which might be a bit more relaxed since there are lots of other people there. I like group sessions, there's always a new idea or two I can pick up from an other photographer. And I can't afford all that studio gear let alone studio space anyway. And I'd be very hesitant to invite 'some model' to my home.

Have an idea of the kind of images you want from the session, have your gear set up, start with some warm up stuff, go from there. If I hire directly I ask them to wear some loose clothing, no fun having to edit out lines from tight jeans etc. It's a lot of fun, my favorite kind of photography actually. I do get in the zone, time flies. I've worked with two girls, a male/female couple (modern dancers), latex models, it's really fun and at least to me, never sexual in any way. Just like my drawing and painting classes. I just love the form and flow of a well defined human body, and what you can do with light and shadow.


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Mar 21, 2014 13:38 as a reply to  @ phantelope's post |  #17

go do a workshop with other photographers around..you will be surprised how quickly having a nude model in front of you will become a non-issue. There are so many things to think about lighting, posing, camera settings.Talking to the other photog's in the workshop. Too many distractions to worry about nakedness.

don't worry about, just go do it, you'll be fine...


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Mar 21, 2014 20:24 |  #18

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Been shooting professionally and full time for 6 years now. I'm more in the wedding and portraits fields - haven't gotten into glamour yet but have always admired the artistic aspects of it. I'm a bit old fashioned and strive to abstain from sensual imagery mainly because faithfulness and marriage and well, reasoning not relatable to many people this day and age. Anyhow, that background is relevant because I'm not sure how to break past the whole nudity issue in my photography amidst some bashfulness on my part. I've had clients willing to do nudity (infant sessions, maternity) but have been successful at covering up my clients with the right materials and clothing without being too revealing but still appearing nude (haven't seen a nipple in my studio yet LOL) In college we had nude models pose for us and it was always extremely awkward for most 1st year students. I just don't know how it's possible to not get too excited with a nude female subject. My wife can get me tongue tied with the right lingerie on, so factor in a younger, hair-styled model in a provocative pose - I don't know you guys do it and keep your cameras steady. Obviously you must get used to it especially once you're in the zone, but I guess the advise I'm looking for has more to do with dealing with the first time (photographer's) and nerves or bashfulness and how to make the model comfortable enough, especially not to detect any natural male anticipation to see them in the raw.

I have access to friends and friends of friends, young girls willing to take it off for my camera which I'd love to get into artistically and build up my portfolio, but haven't really put one of these sessions on my calendar yet because I'm not sure how on earth to not become a giddy high school boy once all those assets are out in the open to the delight of my eyes LOL

not done nude but almost nude and my mind was in work mode so i did not have time to get excited or such as i was too busy taking the shot, seeing if my flashes were firing etc etc.

Taking your mind off it basically works!


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Mar 22, 2014 18:23 |  #19

just don't be like Terry Richardson.


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Mar 24, 2014 05:43 |  #20

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Keep the energy high, the mood positive, engage the model by showing her successful images on the camera back occasionally, tell her how beautiful she looks. Reassure, reassure, reassure. If she is not relaxed, it will show in the images. Chimp constantly, watch your histogram (exposure).

^^^^ This. From what you are saying I think this could be your toughest part but it is also the most important. Make sure you reassure the model, words like "great, excellent, perfect" while your eye is still in the viewfinder. It feels a little weird at first but it is sooo important. Watch a video or two on Douglas Kirkland if you can find them. You will see how he praises his models. I was never comfortable going as far as he does but praise and reassurance can't be overstated.

The other thing I always lived by is never, EVER touch. Always respect their personal space. If there is a hair out of place on the top of their head ask them to fix it, don't fix it yourself. I once apologized to a model because I brushed the top back of her shoulder while moving a lighting setup. Always respect personal space.

As others have said, relax and have fun with it. You will find that once you turn on the studio lights and pick up a camera your concentration will be on the photography not the nude woman in front of you.

Really make sure your wife is cool with it. Talk to her after the first shoot. If she is not assisting then share the result and your thoughts of how it went. Listen to her thoughts.

One other thing that nobody mentioned is make sure the studio is warm. You will be dressed, the model will not! This goes to comfort but also to PP. It is hell to try to process out goosebumps!


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Mar 24, 2014 10:24 |  #21

I don't have experience with modeling but, with a female's perspective, I have to ask. Wouldn't telling the model she's beautiful approach the line you're so worried about crossing? For instance, I don't want to be complimented on my looks in a medical situation. It's too personal, too sexual, not professional at all. Praising the model's pose, the facial expression, the way her hair drapes over her shoulder--all that would be good, but I'm speculating that if the model hears "Beautiful!" you'd better be talking about her positioning in relation to the light and the frame, not about her lovely features.


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Mar 24, 2014 10:39 |  #22

It does to a degree. It is a tough line at times but I can tell you silence is the worst. The model can't tell what she looks like so she is relying on the photographer for feedback. The quickest way for a shoot to get weird is to let it go silent. There is also a big difference between being behind the viewfinder and commenting "beautiful", "perfect", "nice", "terrific" etc. as they are posing and actually looking someone dead in the eyes and saying "wow you are beautiful". The second would certainly be out of place and uncomfortable.


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Mar 25, 2014 09:47 |  #23

narlus wrote in post #16778091 (external link)
just don't be like Terry Richardson.

lol, yes, I noticed him in the news.

I did a figure/nude shoot last Friday. It was a little strange at first. We were still in mid-conversation about tea when the bathrobe came off and here I was talking to a fit, nude woman I'd never met before. Got the hang it pretty quick, though I will say as I talked to her through the posing with eye contact I felt like a creep when I had to lower my eyes and look down. You know, that creepy feeling you might get when want to read the text on a girl's shirt (for example your mother in law's LOL) without them really noticing.

Did a maternity shoot yesterday, there were nude portions of the session. Definitely was not at all phased. I was locked in on posing and light positioning. All of the body parts were out and I was more concerned about the subject feeling comfortable since they were not experienced. I was able to do just that, so I guess that's it, I'm over the worry. Not a big deal after all. :)

Thanks again guys for the great advice. I used quite a few pointers that I never considered before so again, much appreciated! I'm sure this discussion will be helpful for others as well. :)


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Mar 25, 2014 15:04 |  #24

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I don't have experience with modeling but, with a female's perspective, I have to ask. Wouldn't telling the model she's beautiful approach the line you're so worried about crossing? For instance, I don't want to be complimented on my looks in a medical situation. It's too personal, too sexual, not professional at all. Praising the model's pose, the facial expression, the way her hair drapes over her shoulder--all that would be good, but I'm speculating that if the model hears "Beautiful!" you'd better be talking about her positioning in relation to the light and the frame, not about her lovely features.

Crossing the line? I don't think so. It's no less professional than if you were selling wedding dresses and used the same compliment upon seeing them try on just the right dress.

It's assurance that their particular expression or pose is exactly on the mark. Subjects are not accustomed to being in front the camera need constant feedback about what they are doing because for most they aren't sure what they are doing is right. Sure, "great, good, perfect" is assuring, but you are affirming their performance and making them feel, well, BEAUTIFUL, thus the good boost in esteem flows from the inside out - making for better pictures. I often deal with overweight brides and I use this approach even more so. Your subjects are smart enough to know they aren't being hit on if you deal with them professionally before and during the session. Limiting your compliments will likely limit the success and outcome of your shoot if beauty is an ingredient in your photos.


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Mar 25, 2014 22:25 as a reply to  @ Pearlallica's post |  #25

I have talked to nude models about the way photographers talk to them. They want to hear about the posing, the lines, the way they place themselves in the light. They are told so often by photog's about how beautiful they are. They don't need their ego's stroked that way, they are professionals they already know this.
The best way to understand this is to ask the models themselves, often after a shoot I will sit and have an informal chat over tea/coffee/glass of wine etc. before they move along to whatever is next in their day.
Strongly advise asking the models how they feel, not other photographers what they assume the model thinks.

It all comes back to the golden rule. Treat people the way you expect to be treated. if you were standing nude in front of a photographer you did not know very well, would you want that person to keep commenting on your looks,rather than your skills, How would you feel ? Would you feel creeped out ? Not sure ? Then pose nude and get the model to shoot you. I have, and I strongly recommend it. i think it is important to get an understanding of the other side of the camera.


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